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I am Croatian and I don't understand what's the problem? Croatian admins are probably patriots who want to protect our country from the past Communist ideology

I am Croatian and I don't understand what's the problem? Croatian admins are probably patriots who want to protect our country from the past Communist ideology and defend our War of Independence. I'm sure US admins are patriots as well for example and are proud of their War of Independence and all the good things that US has done in the past while at the same time being critical of all the bad things that happened in the past. After all Wikipedia should be facts not opinion articles but of course there is always some commentary on top of facts which can be ideological. In Croatia there is Culture War going on between the Left and the Right for the last 30 years but that is democracy. If we all think the same then nobody is thinking. Why is Croatia singled out and not Poland for example? Poland is more "right" than Croatia and over there we can see intense and sometimes violent confrontations between left and right.

brazzy 5y ago
The problem is that a cabal of people subverted the processes of Wikipedia to gain effective control of the Croatian Wikipedia, and used that control to exclude opposing viewpoints entirely and in some cases insert and preserve completely counterfactual content. That is what is being "singled out", not their political ideology.
- mrkramer 5y ago
  Every time when I read Croatian Wikipedia I see facts I mean historical facts. Commentary on top of facts can be ideological but facts are facts. From the Wikipedia report I can see topics of WW2 and War of Independence being problematic but I read about these topics on Croatian Wikipedia and I didn't see any "counterfactual content". And like I said Wikipedia is not about opinion articles it is about factual information.
dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
"Croatian admins are probably patriots who want to protect our country from the past Communist ideology and defend our War of Independence." Exactly, they're not interested in the truth, but to push their own political views. Sharing those political views doesn't make them true.
- mrkramer 5y ago
  They are interested in truth that's why they are defending our history and speaking up against leftist propaganda. Who they can fool and influence with so called misinformation? Foreigners don't read Croatian Wikipedia and majority of children and young people don't scroll Wikipedia articles they scroll through Instagram and YouTube or any other internet social network. After all our history books and our Constitution should be the source of reliable information not crowd-sourced Wiki website.

brazzy 5y ago

The problem is that a cabal of people subverted the processes of Wikipedia to gain effective control of the Croatian Wikipedia, and used that control to exclude opposing viewpoints entirely and in some cases insert and preserve completely counterfactual content. That is what is being "singled out", not their political ideology.

mrkramer 5y ago
Every time when I read Croatian Wikipedia I see facts I mean historical facts. Commentary on top of facts can be ideological but facts are facts. From the Wikipedia report I can see topics of WW2 and War of Independence being problematic but I read about these topics on Croatian Wikipedia and I didn't see any "counterfactual content". And like I said Wikipedia is not about opinion articles it is about factual information.

dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago

"Croatian admins are probably patriots who want to protect our country from the past Communist ideology and defend our War of Independence." Exactly, they're not interested in the truth, but to push their own political views. Sharing those political views doesn't make them true.

mrkramer 5y ago
They are interested in truth that's why they are defending our history and speaking up against leftist propaganda. Who they can fool and influence with so called misinformation? Foreigners don't read Croatian Wikipedia and majority of children and young people don't scroll Wikipedia articles they scroll through Instagram and YouTube or any other internet social network. After all our history books and our Constitution should be the source of reliable information not crowd-sourced Wiki website.