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You know, that gas-pumping law comes up for vote every few years, and each time it’s re-approved. For the most part, people like it.

bombcar 5y ago
It’s become a matter of pride for Oregonians - kind of like how hazing rituals persist. It would be amusing if Oregon required an electrician to plug in an EV at a public charger.
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ddingus 5y ago
Personally, I love it and will vote to continue it every time. Do not mind if it is a jobs program. People need the work. Rain sucks. Handling gas sucks. I get to catch up on a text, queue a show up for driving and pretty much never mind a wait.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  queue a show up for driving shouldn't you not be watching shows while driving? Or do you mean podcasts or something?
  - ddingus 5y ago
    Shows are aural, visual, etc.. when driving, I listen, though the content may contain video. Love listening to all sorts of stuff in the car. I may abuse the general term "show", and am happy to own that as well as can't be arsed to improve. To me, it is all just a show.
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      Ah, that makes sense, I've done that once or twice, but now I listen to audiobooks. Pretty much constantly actually, even at work. Especially at work: helps me concentrate without getting distracted. Unless something requires my absolutely full attention.
      - ddingus 5y ago
        I will listen to an audiobook from time to time myself. A good reader makes for a nice experience! Thinking back, I have never referred to those as a show.
        ineedasername 5y ago
        Here's a few of my favorite readers. If I don't enjoy a book, it's never because of them. And they're good enough that they're never on some of the self-published audiobooks coming through Amazon's ACX program. (don't get me wrong: there's some good stuff there, it's just hit or miss both on writer quality & narrator quality) meaning you'll often find them outside of the Amazon ecosystem as well, if you get audiobooks from somewhere other than audible. Anyway, here they are. All very different styles, but all very good: John Lee William Dufris Stefan Rudnicki Scott Brick In fact, if you enjoy scifi/fantasy, The Psalms of Isaak by Ken Scholes has a full cast with all of the above except for John Lee. (John Less That series is a very thoughtful set of books, not easily placed into a nice category of high/low fantasy & doesn't romanticize feudalism societies with royalty, lords, etc being the only notable characters. That always annoys me about some types of fantasy: Taking a style of government that is brutal & freedom crushing for 99.99% of the population & focus on the lucky few who where fancy clothes and go to feasts, with a token peasant as "the chosen one".
        ddingus 5y ago
        Thanks! Much appreciated.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  Don't you think there's some other job they could be doing that benefits society more?
  - ddingus 5y ago
    Nope. To clarify: I am part of society and value my time. Having fuel pumped is a great deal. I benefit significantly. Others do as well. Apparently enough of us do. Besides, basic labors really add up in our lives. They provide great value and the people who do them should earn enough to live a reasonable, dignified life same as anyone else. I do not want to do basic labors, but will when required. There are more interesting uses of my time. Getting the use of that time is how we should value basic labors. I value that highly.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    Second point: I do not feel it is necessary to maximize to that degree. We do not need to do that. A little slack in the system is a very good thing. Think people with troubled past getting a start to build on. That is necessary, or we pay much harder in other ways.
    - stickfigure 5y ago
      These are whole human lives, paid to do nothing but pour liquid from one container to another. That doesn't seem like "a little slack", that seems like a sad waste of human capital. Pay them to attend junior college or something. The payoff is a million times higher.
      - ddingus 5y ago
        They are paid to perform basic labor like tons of people are paid, and with that comes all sorts of other things, including going to school. I had a traffic ticket nicely handled by an attorney who bagged groceries to get through school. A while back, my kid was on a baseball team coached by a guy who included pumping gas in the set of things he does to exist, show up for work and do things in this world. Who are you to judge and put such shame on work that has respectable value? I will answer for you: nobody, same as me, that's who. And "attend college" = not waste? I must be frank: implying people who do basic labors are somehow wasted, or in need of education is not a reputable assessment. Not to mention, "who pays?" Are we going to put free college out there? I sure hope so, and support that idea. In that scenario, one could pump gas, live small and get an education. More of that in our society please! The place I get my gas from does my windows, we sometimes catch up on a bit of local news, exchange a joke, "you want that to go?" got that started, and yeah, I chuckled. And more. "Human capital" I reject that idea entirely. There is no waste in any of this. Lives break down into thirds, one of which is work, one is sleep, and the remaining one, ideally funded reasonably by the work and a healthy society, is for people to just be people. Maybe that means hanging out with family, coaching a team, making art, fixing stuff, who knows, and more importantly, who cares? "A life", "wasted", why? Because you do not feel good about how other people live their lives? Let them do that, you have your own to manage. I sure do not need my entire life judged by the work I do, nor do I care to have that other third be anything other than what I feel makes the most sense for me, mine, others who I value. In the scale of things? Yeah, it is a little slack. Easy work. And plenty of people value it. I sure do. Frankly, in light of the massive abuse, killing, poisoning of "human capital" we do globally, along with our general apathy when it comes to taking care of our own people, I find this line of discussion laughable! Seriously. In simple, priority terms, as in something we really should get after? This does not rate. At. All.

bombcar 5y ago

It’s become a matter of pride for Oregonians - kind of like how hazing rituals persist. It would be amusing if Oregon required an electrician to plug in an EV at a public charger.

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ddingus 5y ago

Personally, I love it and will vote to continue it every time. Do not mind if it is a jobs program. People need the work. Rain sucks. Handling gas sucks. I get to catch up on a text, queue a show up for driving and pretty much never mind a wait.

ineedasername 5y ago
queue a show up for driving shouldn't you not be watching shows while driving? Or do you mean podcasts or something?
- ddingus 5y ago
  Shows are aural, visual, etc.. when driving, I listen, though the content may contain video. Love listening to all sorts of stuff in the car. I may abuse the general term "show", and am happy to own that as well as can't be arsed to improve. To me, it is all just a show.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    Ah, that makes sense, I've done that once or twice, but now I listen to audiobooks. Pretty much constantly actually, even at work. Especially at work: helps me concentrate without getting distracted. Unless something requires my absolutely full attention.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      I will listen to an audiobook from time to time myself. A good reader makes for a nice experience! Thinking back, I have never referred to those as a show.
      - ineedasername 5y ago
        Here's a few of my favorite readers. If I don't enjoy a book, it's never because of them. And they're good enough that they're never on some of the self-published audiobooks coming through Amazon's ACX program. (don't get me wrong: there's some good stuff there, it's just hit or miss both on writer quality & narrator quality) meaning you'll often find them outside of the Amazon ecosystem as well, if you get audiobooks from somewhere other than audible. Anyway, here they are. All very different styles, but all very good: John Lee William Dufris Stefan Rudnicki Scott Brick In fact, if you enjoy scifi/fantasy, The Psalms of Isaak by Ken Scholes has a full cast with all of the above except for John Lee. (John Less That series is a very thoughtful set of books, not easily placed into a nice category of high/low fantasy & doesn't romanticize feudalism societies with royalty, lords, etc being the only notable characters. That always annoys me about some types of fantasy: Taking a style of government that is brutal & freedom crushing for 99.99% of the population & focus on the lucky few who where fancy clothes and go to feasts, with a token peasant as "the chosen one".
        ddingus 5y ago
        Thanks! Much appreciated.
stickfigure 5y ago
Don't you think there's some other job they could be doing that benefits society more?
- ddingus 5y ago
  Nope. To clarify: I am part of society and value my time. Having fuel pumped is a great deal. I benefit significantly. Others do as well. Apparently enough of us do. Besides, basic labors really add up in our lives. They provide great value and the people who do them should earn enough to live a reasonable, dignified life same as anyone else. I do not want to do basic labors, but will when required. There are more interesting uses of my time. Getting the use of that time is how we should value basic labors. I value that highly.
- ddingus 5y ago
  Second point: I do not feel it is necessary to maximize to that degree. We do not need to do that. A little slack in the system is a very good thing. Think people with troubled past getting a start to build on. That is necessary, or we pay much harder in other ways.
  - stickfigure 5y ago
    These are whole human lives, paid to do nothing but pour liquid from one container to another. That doesn't seem like "a little slack", that seems like a sad waste of human capital. Pay them to attend junior college or something. The payoff is a million times higher.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      They are paid to perform basic labor like tons of people are paid, and with that comes all sorts of other things, including going to school. I had a traffic ticket nicely handled by an attorney who bagged groceries to get through school. A while back, my kid was on a baseball team coached by a guy who included pumping gas in the set of things he does to exist, show up for work and do things in this world. Who are you to judge and put such shame on work that has respectable value? I will answer for you: nobody, same as me, that's who. And "attend college" = not waste? I must be frank: implying people who do basic labors are somehow wasted, or in need of education is not a reputable assessment. Not to mention, "who pays?" Are we going to put free college out there? I sure hope so, and support that idea. In that scenario, one could pump gas, live small and get an education. More of that in our society please! The place I get my gas from does my windows, we sometimes catch up on a bit of local news, exchange a joke, "you want that to go?" got that started, and yeah, I chuckled. And more. "Human capital" I reject that idea entirely. There is no waste in any of this. Lives break down into thirds, one of which is work, one is sleep, and the remaining one, ideally funded reasonably by the work and a healthy society, is for people to just be people. Maybe that means hanging out with family, coaching a team, making art, fixing stuff, who knows, and more importantly, who cares? "A life", "wasted", why? Because you do not feel good about how other people live their lives? Let them do that, you have your own to manage. I sure do not need my entire life judged by the work I do, nor do I care to have that other third be anything other than what I feel makes the most sense for me, mine, others who I value. In the scale of things? Yeah, it is a little slack. Easy work. And plenty of people value it. I sure do. Frankly, in light of the massive abuse, killing, poisoning of "human capital" we do globally, along with our general apathy when it comes to taking care of our own people, I find this line of discussion laughable! Seriously. In simple, priority terms, as in something we really should get after? This does not rate. At. All.