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No child left behind. It’s been ruled that it’s better that all students get to 20-80% knowledge then some get 100% and some get 0%. Which is why many people

No child left behind. It’s been ruled that it’s better that all students get to 20-80% knowledge then some get 100% and some get 0%. Which is why many people choose to go to private schools if you want to not be limited by this.

rkk3 5y ago
> Which is why many people choose to go to private schools if you want to not be limited by this. Familiar with expensive Private schools Household names send their kids too in CA. It's generally harder to fail a student, sometimes explicitly impossible & against school policy.
WanderPanda 5y ago
I don‘t see the causal relationship between the 100%ers getting 80% and the 0%ers suddenly getting 20%
- orn688 5y ago
  If you slow down the pace to help the "zero percenters" and only cover 80% of the material in the allotted time, the students who could have handled 100% of the material will be limited to 80%. And that slowdown still won't be enough to help the slowest learners much, so they'll still only learn, say, 20% of the material.
  - unishark 5y ago
    also spend lots of class time repeating background material students should already know.
  - brianwawok 5y ago
    Right. In fact you can find studies to back this up. In schools with blended ability levels, the worst students do better (pulled up by the higher students), but the best studends do worse. Good if you are in the bottom, bad ify ou are in the top.
antihero 5y ago
Surely this can be solved by streaming? Here in the UK we had bottom sets for the kids that were struggling, and top sets for kids who excelled. This meant that the learning pace could be tailored for each group. Still probably didn't stretch the top set kids as much as private schools could, which is why I am in favour of abolishing all private and grammar schools and making the resources available to those schools available to top set comprehensive school kids. It is wrong that children get educations that don't really make the most of their brains because they have parents that couldn't afford it. Also, I think the sociological benefits of having pupils from all backgrounds occupying the same space and learning from each other as opposed to being segregated is extremely important. So many of the rich people in charge of the country have absolutely no understanding of poverty because they have not had the opportunity to grow up around it.
- thrower123 5y ago
  In former times, European countries could do this, because you've had a homogenous pool to sort out by ability. Attempts to do this in the US produce results that appear racist.
  - atweiden 5y ago
    It’s almost as if genetic similarity is a predictor of social stability.
    - stonogo 5y ago
      Yes, that statement is the one that appears racist, because it is. Try "it's almost as if being societally excluded for centuries is a predictor of social instability," which is both more accurate and descriptive of the problem we're trying to solve here.
- zepto 5y ago
  > and making the resources available to those schools available How would you do this? It seems like it’s impossible to tax the group of people who would have sent their kids to private school had it been possible. Equally it seems impossible to force the people who would have chosen teaching careers at private schools to work at comprehensive schools. That, and the fact that one of the ‘resources’ that private schools have is flexibility to make decisions outside of the comprehensive school system.

rkk3 5y ago

> Which is why many people choose to go to private schools if you want to not be limited by this. Familiar with expensive Private schools Household names send their kids too in CA. It's generally harder to fail a student, sometimes explicitly impossible & against school policy.

WanderPanda 5y ago

I don‘t see the causal relationship between the 100%ers getting 80% and the 0%ers suddenly getting 20%

orn688 5y ago
If you slow down the pace to help the "zero percenters" and only cover 80% of the material in the allotted time, the students who could have handled 100% of the material will be limited to 80%. And that slowdown still won't be enough to help the slowest learners much, so they'll still only learn, say, 20% of the material.
- unishark 5y ago
  also spend lots of class time repeating background material students should already know.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  Right. In fact you can find studies to back this up. In schools with blended ability levels, the worst students do better (pulled up by the higher students), but the best studends do worse. Good if you are in the bottom, bad ify ou are in the top.

antihero 5y ago

Surely this can be solved by streaming? Here in the UK we had bottom sets for the kids that were struggling, and top sets for kids who excelled. This meant that the learning pace could be tailored for each group. Still probably didn't stretch the top set kids as much as private schools could, which is why I am in favour of abolishing all private and grammar schools and making the resources available to those schools available to top set comprehensive school kids. It is wrong that children get educations that don't really make the most of their brains because they have parents that couldn't afford it. Also, I think the sociological benefits of having pupils from all backgrounds occupying the same space and learning from each other as opposed to being segregated is extremely important. So many of the rich people in charge of the country have absolutely no understanding of poverty because they have not had the opportunity to grow up around it.

thrower123 5y ago
In former times, European countries could do this, because you've had a homogenous pool to sort out by ability. Attempts to do this in the US produce results that appear racist.
- atweiden 5y ago
  It’s almost as if genetic similarity is a predictor of social stability.
  - stonogo 5y ago
    Yes, that statement is the one that appears racist, because it is. Try "it's almost as if being societally excluded for centuries is a predictor of social instability," which is both more accurate and descriptive of the problem we're trying to solve here.
zepto 5y ago
> and making the resources available to those schools available How would you do this? It seems like it’s impossible to tax the group of people who would have sent their kids to private school had it been possible. Equally it seems impossible to force the people who would have chosen teaching careers at private schools to work at comprehensive schools. That, and the fact that one of the ‘resources’ that private schools have is flexibility to make decisions outside of the comprehensive school system.