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iOS backups expire after 6 months

31 points by kruuuder 5y ago

WalterGR 5y ago
Non-Twitter link: https://tidbits.com/2020/06/11/beware-icloud-backups-deleted-after-180-days/ https://tidbits.com/2020/06/11/beware-icloud-backups-deleted...
haunter 5y ago
>Important: iCloud backups are available for 180 days after you turn off or stop using iCloud Backup. https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/back-up-your-ios-and-ipados-device-mmab848634c8/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/back-up-your-ios-and-... > iCloud backups are available for 180 days after you disable or stop using iCloud Backup. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204247 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204247 >If a device has not backed up to iCloud for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, Apple reserves the right to delete any backups associated with that device. https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/term...
- tailspin2019 5y ago
  Hmmm. "The truth is... no one in this room has read the terms and conditions. No one in New York has read the terms and conditions. No one in the universe... Even god has not read the terms and conditions" Eddie Izzard [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxbGktGatwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxbGktGatwA
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    Not even Apple reads its t&cs: https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/28/apple_deepl_dutch_translation/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/28/apple_deepl_dutch_tra...
    - tailspin2019 5y ago
      That’s hilarious, thanks for sharing
tailspin2019 5y ago
This, along with the sometimes obscure behaviour of Time Machine is starting to make me think I should not be using Apple's backup solutions. As great as much of their software is, their backup systems (both iCloud and Time Machine) are way too obscure, with so few controls as to be comical, and very little visibility of what they're doing. The rare occasions where I've had to fall back and rely on an Apple backup, I've often found that it's not a "complete" backup in the truest sense. It almost feels like a "best estimate" of a backup. I've lost iOS app data in the past between devices (and in fact whole apps on occasion as they are not actually backed up at all - they are redownloaded from the App Store, which is not the same thing).
- pssm 5y ago
  Can you please elaborate on the “obscure behavior of Time Machine” part? Time Machine has been by go-to solution for local backups and a life savior in a few occasions. I’ve never had any issues with it, so I’m curious about that.
  - tailspin2019 5y ago
    Time Machine is the only backup software I've ever used where it seems to routinely tell me that my entire backup is corrupted and I need to start again. This has happened on multiple Macs, multiple macOS versions and multiple backup storage devices, for many many years. It seems that fundamentally, backing up over the network is not reliable. If I'm forced to connect a local drive to my laptop to backup (which is not very convenient) then I'd much rather use something like Carbon Copy Cloner where I can feel a lot more confident that I've got an actual usable backup at the end of the process. Or use something optimised for network backup like BackBlaze (or, my preference, Arq, which admittedly still has its own problems). I guess what I mean by obscure though is there is very little in the way of UI for Time Machine. There are no easily accessible logs. No simple list of backup versions. Almost no configuration options. I get that it's very much a "black box" backup solution designed to be simple to use for everyone, but the lack of transparency about what it's doing, for me at least, just adds stress as I'm never quite convinced it's working correctly. This would be more forgivable if it was rock solid and reliable but my experience is that it has never been those things. My most recent issue was with TM's use of APFS snapshots and somewhere between TM and macOS, vast portions of my SSD storage being "tied up" and not released properly back to the OS as free space. This caused all sorts of issues with eg. trying to run VMs and VMWare complaining that there is no space left on the disk. The overwhelming feeling I get when using iCloud backups and Time Machine is a vague feeling of "uncertainty". Time Machine (for me) is flaky and iCloud backups are not backups in the truest form, in my mind anyway.

31 points by kruuuder 5y ago

Non-Twitter link: https://tidbits.com/2020/06/11/beware-icloud-backups-deleted-after-180-days/ https://tidbits.com/2020/06/11/beware-icloud-backups-deleted...

haunter 5y ago

>Important: iCloud backups are available for 180 days after you turn off or stop using iCloud Backup. https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/back-up-your-ios-and-ipados-device-mmab848634c8/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/back-up-your-ios-and-... > iCloud backups are available for 180 days after you disable or stop using iCloud Backup. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204247 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204247 >If a device has not backed up to iCloud for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, Apple reserves the right to delete any backups associated with that device. https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/term...

tailspin2019 5y ago
Hmmm. "The truth is... no one in this room has read the terms and conditions. No one in New York has read the terms and conditions. No one in the universe... Even god has not read the terms and conditions" Eddie Izzard [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxbGktGatwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxbGktGatwA
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Not even Apple reads its t&cs: https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/28/apple_deepl_dutch_translation/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/28/apple_deepl_dutch_tra...
  - tailspin2019 5y ago
    That’s hilarious, thanks for sharing

tailspin2019 5y ago

This, along with the sometimes obscure behaviour of Time Machine is starting to make me think I should not be using Apple's backup solutions. As great as much of their software is, their backup systems (both iCloud and Time Machine) are way too obscure, with so few controls as to be comical, and very little visibility of what they're doing. The rare occasions where I've had to fall back and rely on an Apple backup, I've often found that it's not a "complete" backup in the truest sense. It almost feels like a "best estimate" of a backup. I've lost iOS app data in the past between devices (and in fact whole apps on occasion as they are not actually backed up at all - they are redownloaded from the App Store, which is not the same thing).

pssm 5y ago
Can you please elaborate on the “obscure behavior of Time Machine” part? Time Machine has been by go-to solution for local backups and a life savior in a few occasions. I’ve never had any issues with it, so I’m curious about that.
- tailspin2019 5y ago
  Time Machine is the only backup software I've ever used where it seems to routinely tell me that my entire backup is corrupted and I need to start again. This has happened on multiple Macs, multiple macOS versions and multiple backup storage devices, for many many years. It seems that fundamentally, backing up over the network is not reliable. If I'm forced to connect a local drive to my laptop to backup (which is not very convenient) then I'd much rather use something like Carbon Copy Cloner where I can feel a lot more confident that I've got an actual usable backup at the end of the process. Or use something optimised for network backup like BackBlaze (or, my preference, Arq, which admittedly still has its own problems). I guess what I mean by obscure though is there is very little in the way of UI for Time Machine. There are no easily accessible logs. No simple list of backup versions. Almost no configuration options. I get that it's very much a "black box" backup solution designed to be simple to use for everyone, but the lack of transparency about what it's doing, for me at least, just adds stress as I'm never quite convinced it's working correctly. This would be more forgivable if it was rock solid and reliable but my experience is that it has never been those things. My most recent issue was with TM's use of APFS snapshots and somewhere between TM and macOS, vast portions of my SSD storage being "tied up" and not released properly back to the OS as free space. This caused all sorts of issues with eg. trying to run VMs and VMWare complaining that there is no space left on the disk. The overwhelming feeling I get when using iCloud backups and Time Machine is a vague feeling of "uncertainty". Time Machine (for me) is flaky and iCloud backups are not backups in the truest form, in my mind anyway.