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You live in a desert. I feel like the extremes of your environment are not a useful barometer for a reasonable operating temp.

andrewmcwatters 5y ago
I also live in the fifth most populous city in the United States. So, yeah, it is. If anything, you should fully expect, at this point, that how we deal with extreme conditions in Phoenix is a harbinger of what is to come for other parts of the nation.
- jayd16 5y ago
  >I also live in the fifth most populous city in the United States. So, yeah, it is. But that's still less than half a percent of the US population.
  - andrewmcwatters 5y ago
    I guess we should also avoid rust proofing metals since most people don't live by the ocean, too.
    - jayd16 5y ago
      I mean, I don't expect California cars to get undercoated, for example.
    - 8note 5y ago
      You need rustproofing wherever you put salt on the roads in winter, too
- adamcstephens 5y ago
  Just because lots of people made the same decision doesn’t make it smart or reasonable.
  - andrewmcwatters 5y ago
    I just don't understand comments like this. 7 million people didn't decide to move here this year. Conditions in Arizona have dramatically changed over the lifetime of the state. It doesn't make sense to live where you can freeze to death or don't have access to water, either, does it? Except those two scenarios include most Americans. Without modern infrastructure, it hardly makes sense to live anywhere.
    - adamcstephens 5y ago
      Obviously 7 million people didn’t move there over the course of this year. If that’s what you thought I was getting at, I’m not surprised you were confused. Conditions have changed, but are people reconsidering their own decisions?
      - andrewmcwatters 5y ago
        People don't decide where they want to be born.
        arcticfox 5y ago
        Right, but your point seems to be getting at Starlink owing you a functioning dish in your climate, which is just kind of an odd take. There are dozens of products that are a bad fit for where I live. If it makes economic sense, I'm sure they'll fix it or someone else will do it better eventually. If not, maybe the municipal governments can subsidize something that works there?
      - zzzztopp 5y ago
        Nope, namely if you suggest they decide to move. But other taxpayers has to pay to help them continue comfortable live as they live now.
  - cartoonworld 5y ago
    Please. The whole point of Starlink is that it's suitable for places where there is poor existing infrastructure. The desert tops the list! They also have service area restrictions for sign up. Just say Tesla dropped the ball on this engineering prototype and V2 will work on the sun.
edoceo 5y ago
Millions of humans live there. And loads of other equipment operates. Maybe it's not really at the "extreme" point yet - since all the existing stuff has moved extreme further out.

andrewmcwatters 5y ago

I also live in the fifth most populous city in the United States. So, yeah, it is. If anything, you should fully expect, at this point, that how we deal with extreme conditions in Phoenix is a harbinger of what is to come for other parts of the nation.

jayd16 5y ago
>I also live in the fifth most populous city in the United States. So, yeah, it is. But that's still less than half a percent of the US population.
- andrewmcwatters 5y ago
  I guess we should also avoid rust proofing metals since most people don't live by the ocean, too.
  - jayd16 5y ago
    I mean, I don't expect California cars to get undercoated, for example.
  - 8note 5y ago
    You need rustproofing wherever you put salt on the roads in winter, too
adamcstephens 5y ago
Just because lots of people made the same decision doesn’t make it smart or reasonable.
- andrewmcwatters 5y ago
  I just don't understand comments like this. 7 million people didn't decide to move here this year. Conditions in Arizona have dramatically changed over the lifetime of the state. It doesn't make sense to live where you can freeze to death or don't have access to water, either, does it? Except those two scenarios include most Americans. Without modern infrastructure, it hardly makes sense to live anywhere.
  - adamcstephens 5y ago
    Obviously 7 million people didn’t move there over the course of this year. If that’s what you thought I was getting at, I’m not surprised you were confused. Conditions have changed, but are people reconsidering their own decisions?
    - andrewmcwatters 5y ago
      People don't decide where they want to be born.
      - arcticfox 5y ago
        Right, but your point seems to be getting at Starlink owing you a functioning dish in your climate, which is just kind of an odd take. There are dozens of products that are a bad fit for where I live. If it makes economic sense, I'm sure they'll fix it or someone else will do it better eventually. If not, maybe the municipal governments can subsidize something that works there?
    - zzzztopp 5y ago
      Nope, namely if you suggest they decide to move. But other taxpayers has to pay to help them continue comfortable live as they live now.
- cartoonworld 5y ago
  Please. The whole point of Starlink is that it's suitable for places where there is poor existing infrastructure. The desert tops the list! They also have service area restrictions for sign up. Just say Tesla dropped the ball on this engineering prototype and V2 will work on the sun.

edoceo 5y ago

Millions of humans live there. And loads of other equipment operates. Maybe it's not really at the "extreme" point yet - since all the existing stuff has moved extreme further out.