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That's somewhat of an excuse until like 1996 or so.

by tpmx 5y ago

slg 5y ago
That is a super aggressive timeframe for when media companies started caring about online streaming. And even after streaming became a consideration, it is not a consideration for absolutely every project. Some media is produced without the intent to ever stream it and preemptively securing the streaming rights is therefore an added and unnecessary cost.
- tpmx 5y ago
  Not really. Pretty much every single national broadcaster of note used Realnetworks streaming in 1995-1996. They just didn't care for archiving, just like they don't care about that today.
  - slg 5y ago
    I'm American so I can't say I'm too familiar with how the BBC was streaming content in the 90s, but RealNetworks didn't have video streaming technology until 1997[1] so the BBC surely wasn't using them for anything but maybe radio in 1995-1996. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNetworks#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNetworks#History
    - tpmx 5y ago
      I'm talking about radio/audio. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
      - slg 5y ago
        Oh, that certainly changes the timeline. The linked BBC Programme Index includes both television and radio so there was no reason for anyone here to assume you were only talking about radio.
        tpmx 5y ago
        NP. I talked about radio in the top level comment and then loads of people commented and the comment tree grew very large quickly.
dbbk 5y ago
The BBC's charter limits how long they can put content on iPlayer.
- tpmx 5y ago
  Yeah, why would anyone want an historic record of e.g. newscasts etc to be publicly accessible. That could only cause trouble!
  - slg 5y ago
    Coincidentally I just commented[1] earlier today about someone who is going exactly what you are looking for with American newscasts. It is likely a time consuming project and can get expensive depending on how public the "publicly accessible" requirement is, but it is doable for a single person or small group. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551712
- gerdesj 5y ago
  Where? This is the current Charter: https://web.archive.org/web/20170806225843if_/http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20170806225843if_/http://downloa... I've only skim read it but then it's only 40 odd pages long.

That's somewhat of an excuse until like 1996 or so.

by tpmx 5y ago

That's somewhat of an excuse until like 1996 or so.

slg 5y ago

That is a super aggressive timeframe for when media companies started caring about online streaming. And even after streaming became a consideration, it is not a consideration for absolutely every project. Some media is produced without the intent to ever stream it and preemptively securing the streaming rights is therefore an added and unnecessary cost.

tpmx 5y ago
Not really. Pretty much every single national broadcaster of note used Realnetworks streaming in 1995-1996. They just didn't care for archiving, just like they don't care about that today.
- slg 5y ago
  I'm American so I can't say I'm too familiar with how the BBC was streaming content in the 90s, but RealNetworks didn't have video streaming technology until 1997[1] so the BBC surely wasn't using them for anything but maybe radio in 1995-1996. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNetworks#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNetworks#History
  - tpmx 5y ago
    I'm talking about radio/audio. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
    - slg 5y ago
      Oh, that certainly changes the timeline. The linked BBC Programme Index includes both television and radio so there was no reason for anyone here to assume you were only talking about radio.
      - tpmx 5y ago
        NP. I talked about radio in the top level comment and then loads of people commented and the comment tree grew very large quickly.

dbbk 5y ago

The BBC's charter limits how long they can put content on iPlayer.

tpmx 5y ago
Yeah, why would anyone want an historic record of e.g. newscasts etc to be publicly accessible. That could only cause trouble!
- slg 5y ago
  Coincidentally I just commented[1] earlier today about someone who is going exactly what you are looking for with American newscasts. It is likely a time consuming project and can get expensive depending on how public the "publicly accessible" requirement is, but it is doable for a single person or small group. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551712
gerdesj 5y ago
Where? This is the current Charter: https://web.archive.org/web/20170806225843if_/http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20170806225843if_/http://downloa... I've only skim read it but then it's only 40 odd pages long.