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I’m surprised AMD’s laptop share increased that much (even in benchmarks) — when I went looking for an AMD laptop a couple months ago, I could only find a handf

I’m surprised AMD’s laptop share increased that much (even in benchmarks) — when I went looking for an AMD laptop a couple months ago, I could only find a handful that seemed good.

fluidcruft 5y ago
I would suspect it's a denominator effect of Apple dropping intel chips.
- gpm 5y ago
  Intels drop is almost exactly equal to AMDs gain (20% market share between the most recent two laptop datapoints for both). If it was just intel laptops dropping out and converting to apple silicon you wouldn't expect AMD to grow. I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph, probably very few people benchmarks macs when they're identical to all the other macs.
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  - zsmi 5y ago
    < I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph It looks like their software doesn't support macOS so it's pretty safe to say there are no Macs in the dataset. Their software does support Andriod & iOS. It would be interested to see how these changed if they were included.
    - fluidcruft 5y ago
      I know plenty of people who run Windows on intel Macs (particularly the laptops) in various ways and they actually do play with benchmarks to see how well it works.
      - mgolawala 5y ago
        They wouldn’t be running windows on the Apple Silicon macs though, just the intel ones.
        fluidcruft 5y ago
        Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Apple Silicon doesn't show up anywhere in the benchmark. If we were seeing a chart of totals rather than percentages, I'd expect to see a void where Apple Silicon entered.
      - rdsnsca 5y ago
        Apple says only between 2 and 4 % of its users use Bootcamp to run Windows.
  - mumblemumble 5y ago
    From the notes at the bottom: > As the PerformanceTest software only runs on Windows OS and counts on user submitting their benchmarks. This chart may be non reflective of non Windows user base.
  - fluidcruft 5y ago
    Yes, but consider if you have three laptops: 1. intel running Windows OS 2. AMD running Windows OS 3. intel Mac running Windows (various ways) Then the intel percentage is (1+2)/(1+2+3) and the AMD percentage is 2/(1+2+3). But if Apple hardware is a significant portion of the benchmarks, then when intel Macs disappear, the fraction of systems that can submit the benchmark decreases. So the intel percentage decreases and the AMD percentage increases. The denominator changes identically for intel and AMD.
    - rdsnsca 5y ago
      Apple says only between 2 and 4 % of its users use Bootcamp to run Windows.
- 867-5309 5y ago
  and also AMD's new integrated graphics
- trynumber9 5y ago
  I doubt it. Consider that Apple is the #4 personal computer vendor after Lenovo, Dell, and HP. They have less than 10% market share and many of their products are still shipping in Intel versions.
  - esturk 5y ago
    Tim Cook have said Apple sold more M1 Macs than Intel-based Macs. In a recent Gartner report, Apple held 8% of the market share worldwide. This implies Intel has lost over 4% of the market in just one quarter.
    - aflag 5y ago
      Not to AMD, though.
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TonyTrapp 5y ago
Relatively few people are probably looking for the perfect laptop. The average user might just want something cheap that does the basic tasks for them, and this is exactly where you will find more and more AMD CPUs.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  The average user might not a really know what a CPU is, keep on mind.
- mumblemumble 5y ago
  It's also exactly where you will find absolutely nobody who makes a habit of running PassMark on their computer. This graph more-or-less only measures the enthusiast Windows user market.
- huntertwo 5y ago
  Funny that you mention that AMD CPUs are the 'cheap and basic' option when it seems like over the past 5 years Intel has become the inferior chip manufacturer.
  - TonyTrapp 5y ago
    I didn't mean to imply that the CPUs are inferior, quite the contrary - they give you more bang for the buck, which is why you often find them in cheap offers. When the AMD CPUs are cheaper than the Intel CPUs, of course more computer makers will put them into their cheap builds. The fact that they are better CPUs is a nice bonus.
    - beebeepka 5y ago
      I am not buying it either. AMD has been the performance leader for a while. OEMs putting the fastest CPU into a junk chassis because "they are cheaper" makes zero sense unless we're talking shenanigans
  - sjcoles 5y ago
    Until the 4000 series of Ryzen mobile Intel had a pretty clear lead in 15-25w part market. With wider availability of Ryzen 5000 series mobile CPUs I expect to see far more options by Q12022.
Shorel 5y ago
I have an AMD laptop, and my next one will definitely be Intel. Reason: Linux drivers. Ryzen Linux support is just that bad.
- branon 5y ago
  Any source on this claim? Care to elaborate with any specifics? I have not ever heard of any issues with Linux on Zen architectures, nor have I experienced any on either of my Zen 2 machines.
  - yesco 5y ago
    I purchased a first gen Zen CPU around when they first came out and noticed a lot of random issues on Linux that often resulted in full system crashes; usually due to C-State stuff and other times due to various motherboard firmware issues that only Linux users seemed to experience. They didn't take too long to get fixed but you needed the latest versions of the kernel to keep up with them. However other than those first few months my experiences match yours and I have experienced zero issues. I could see it being possible someone possibly still using an older version of the kernel would still experience these issues, especially if they haven't flashed their bios.
  - Shorel 5y ago
    My laptop is an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U. Plenty of issues starting from the installation. I had to stop the installer from booting, add this hard to find line: ivrs_ioapic[4]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[5]=00:00.2 to the kernel load line, just to be able to install it. And then, after finally managing to install it, the stability issues. Even with the latest Liquorix kernel, after some hours, the system just kept randomly freezing. It was a total infuriating experience. And I was not the only one with these issues: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can%27t-install-linux-on-ryzen-5-2500u-4175650046/ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can%... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=250297 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=250297 I nuked Linux, and now the machine runs only Windows. And it works fine. No more randomly freezing. That's what I get for being an AMD fanboy and an early adopter. I'm glad you have the latest Zen processors, I am not so lucky.
neogodless 5y ago
I am somewhat surprised even though anecdotally over the past 18 months, everyone I know that got a new laptop went AMD. But I'm not an "average" person, so I've got tech-knowledgeable friends and family that takes my advice. Asus Zephyrus G14, HP Omen 15, Lenovo Legion 5, Lenovo Thinkpad T14. These are the laptops people around me bought. Ryzen 4000 proved AMD can make good laptop CPUs (APUs) and Ryzen 5000 has been welcomed by OEMs in a way that hasn't happened before for AMD. But in business it's still much more likely for someone to go Intel...

I’m surprised AMD’s laptop share increased that much (even in benchmarks) — when I went looking for an AMD laptop a couple months ago, I could only find a handful that seemed good.

fluidcruft 5y ago

I would suspect it's a denominator effect of Apple dropping intel chips.

gpm 5y ago
Intels drop is almost exactly equal to AMDs gain (20% market share between the most recent two laptop datapoints for both). If it was just intel laptops dropping out and converting to apple silicon you wouldn't expect AMD to grow. I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph, probably very few people benchmarks macs when they're identical to all the other macs.
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- zsmi 5y ago
  < I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph It looks like their software doesn't support macOS so it's pretty safe to say there are no Macs in the dataset. Their software does support Andriod & iOS. It would be interested to see how these changed if they were included.
  - fluidcruft 5y ago
    I know plenty of people who run Windows on intel Macs (particularly the laptops) in various ways and they actually do play with benchmarks to see how well it works.
    - mgolawala 5y ago
      They wouldn’t be running windows on the Apple Silicon macs though, just the intel ones.
      - fluidcruft 5y ago
        Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Apple Silicon doesn't show up anywhere in the benchmark. If we were seeing a chart of totals rather than percentages, I'd expect to see a void where Apple Silicon entered.
    - rdsnsca 5y ago
      Apple says only between 2 and 4 % of its users use Bootcamp to run Windows.
- mumblemumble 5y ago
  From the notes at the bottom: > As the PerformanceTest software only runs on Windows OS and counts on user submitting their benchmarks. This chart may be non reflective of non Windows user base.
- fluidcruft 5y ago
  Yes, but consider if you have three laptops: 1. intel running Windows OS 2. AMD running Windows OS 3. intel Mac running Windows (various ways) Then the intel percentage is (1+2)/(1+2+3) and the AMD percentage is 2/(1+2+3). But if Apple hardware is a significant portion of the benchmarks, then when intel Macs disappear, the fraction of systems that can submit the benchmark decreases. So the intel percentage decreases and the AMD percentage increases. The denominator changes identically for intel and AMD.
  - rdsnsca 5y ago
    Apple says only between 2 and 4 % of its users use Bootcamp to run Windows.
867-5309 5y ago
and also AMD's new integrated graphics
trynumber9 5y ago
I doubt it. Consider that Apple is the #4 personal computer vendor after Lenovo, Dell, and HP. They have less than 10% market share and many of their products are still shipping in Intel versions.
- esturk 5y ago
  Tim Cook have said Apple sold more M1 Macs than Intel-based Macs. In a recent Gartner report, Apple held 8% of the market share worldwide. This implies Intel has lost over 4% of the market in just one quarter.
  - aflag 5y ago
    Not to AMD, though.
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TonyTrapp 5y ago

Relatively few people are probably looking for the perfect laptop. The average user might just want something cheap that does the basic tasks for them, and this is exactly where you will find more and more AMD CPUs.

mhh__ 5y ago
The average user might not a really know what a CPU is, keep on mind.
mumblemumble 5y ago
It's also exactly where you will find absolutely nobody who makes a habit of running PassMark on their computer. This graph more-or-less only measures the enthusiast Windows user market.
huntertwo 5y ago
Funny that you mention that AMD CPUs are the 'cheap and basic' option when it seems like over the past 5 years Intel has become the inferior chip manufacturer.
- TonyTrapp 5y ago
  I didn't mean to imply that the CPUs are inferior, quite the contrary - they give you more bang for the buck, which is why you often find them in cheap offers. When the AMD CPUs are cheaper than the Intel CPUs, of course more computer makers will put them into their cheap builds. The fact that they are better CPUs is a nice bonus.
  - beebeepka 5y ago
    I am not buying it either. AMD has been the performance leader for a while. OEMs putting the fastest CPU into a junk chassis because "they are cheaper" makes zero sense unless we're talking shenanigans
- sjcoles 5y ago
  Until the 4000 series of Ryzen mobile Intel had a pretty clear lead in 15-25w part market. With wider availability of Ryzen 5000 series mobile CPUs I expect to see far more options by Q12022.

Shorel 5y ago

I have an AMD laptop, and my next one will definitely be Intel. Reason: Linux drivers. Ryzen Linux support is just that bad.

branon 5y ago
Any source on this claim? Care to elaborate with any specifics? I have not ever heard of any issues with Linux on Zen architectures, nor have I experienced any on either of my Zen 2 machines.
- yesco 5y ago
  I purchased a first gen Zen CPU around when they first came out and noticed a lot of random issues on Linux that often resulted in full system crashes; usually due to C-State stuff and other times due to various motherboard firmware issues that only Linux users seemed to experience. They didn't take too long to get fixed but you needed the latest versions of the kernel to keep up with them. However other than those first few months my experiences match yours and I have experienced zero issues. I could see it being possible someone possibly still using an older version of the kernel would still experience these issues, especially if they haven't flashed their bios.
- Shorel 5y ago
  My laptop is an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U. Plenty of issues starting from the installation. I had to stop the installer from booting, add this hard to find line: ivrs_ioapic[4]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[5]=00:00.2 to the kernel load line, just to be able to install it. And then, after finally managing to install it, the stability issues. Even with the latest Liquorix kernel, after some hours, the system just kept randomly freezing. It was a total infuriating experience. And I was not the only one with these issues: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can%27t-install-linux-on-ryzen-5-2500u-4175650046/ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can%... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=250297 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=250297 I nuked Linux, and now the machine runs only Windows. And it works fine. No more randomly freezing. That's what I get for being an AMD fanboy and an early adopter. I'm glad you have the latest Zen processors, I am not so lucky.

neogodless 5y ago

I am somewhat surprised even though anecdotally over the past 18 months, everyone I know that got a new laptop went AMD. But I'm not an "average" person, so I've got tech-knowledgeable friends and family that takes my advice. Asus Zephyrus G14, HP Omen 15, Lenovo Legion 5, Lenovo Thinkpad T14. These are the laptops people around me bought. Ryzen 4000 proved AMD can make good laptop CPUs (APUs) and Ryzen 5000 has been welcomed by OEMs in a way that hasn't happened before for AMD. But in business it's still much more likely for someone to go Intel...