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Sort of funny that the solution for streaming is to literally turn on a stream of water. On a separate note, even if you don’t live in Arizona, a litmus test f
by andrewmcwatters 5y ago
Sort of funny that the solution for streaming is to literally turn on a stream of water.
On a separate note, even if you don’t live in Arizona, a litmus test for good engineering is whether or not you see reviews of a product melting in Arizona. Yeah, melt. Literally.
Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the US. If it doesn’t work here, it’s not mass market.
- ethanbond 5y agoA good litmus test for good city location is whether or not melting objects/burns from touching objects is a daily concern
- gspr 5y agoYeah, I agree: the bug here is humans building giant cities in the desert.
- mcguire 5y agoLike southern California?
- AJ007 5y agoA lot more than the southern part.
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- threatofrain 5y agoIf you say south California it's difficult to know how much inland you mean, because as you travel inland you go from hot to Hot. You can measure a city in terms of how many days of productivity your family would lose if you didn't have AC or heat running full blast.
- jayd16 5y agoOur giant cities are on the coast.
- azernik 5y agoPalm Springs? Yeah. The Inland Empire? Eeeeeh. The LA Basin, OC, and San Diego? No. Their temperatures are kept much more sane by the ocean, and agriculture is the real problem for the water budget.
- smegger001 5y agoNot really Homo Sapians originated in the hot environs of Sub-Saharan Africa. Most early civilizations were in deserts, like Mesopotamia and Egypt. Their have been cities in deserts longer then there have been temperate climate cities. Humans are built for hot climates we just don't like them.
- tdeck 5y agoMesopotamia and Egypt weren't deserts when those early civilizations got started.
- lakis 5y agoYes they were. They had rivers running through them. Civilization sprung next to the river.
- yesenadam 5y agoThis[0] suggests that the Sahara wasn't desert when ancient Egypt got started, though it depends on your definitions of those words I guess. A timeline of Sahara occupation 22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today. 10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers. 9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats. 7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society. [0] https://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html https://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populate...
- TchoBeer 5y agoafaik Phoenix as a massive city wouldn't exist without the air conditioning. There's "humans can tolerate high heat" and then there's "so hot that we need technology to make it liveable."
- andrewmcwatters 5y agoHahaha… yeah that’s probably a bigger concern.
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- dragonwriter 5y ago“Product is fine, it is human civilization that is broken”, huh?
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- NaturalPhallacy 5y agoHuman civilization is absolutely broken. We're great apes running on on 50,000 year old hardware trying to cope with things invented after we were born: https://www.ted.com/talks/ruby_wax_what_s_so_funny_about_mental_illness https://www.ted.com/talks/ruby_wax_what_s_so_funny_about_men...
- ethanbond 5y agoBuilding cities of several million people in regions with no water? Growing cotton, cattle, and world renowned golf courses? Yeah, that’s pretty obviously broken. I grew up in Arizona. You regularly hear people saying, “well, there’s no water left to build but hey, people keep buying so we’ll keep building!” Cheap land and subsidized water paid to give to a bunch of ranchers who despise socialism. “Broken” is being generous.
- foobiekr 5y agoNetworking vendors who know what they're doing literally put gear into ovens for extended periods as part of the DVT phase of testing, and put outdoor gear like cellular antennas/ptp wireless/ptp optical into stress environments prior to manufacturing. This again seems like the typical Musk venture, like the Tesla non-automative screens, where they didn't seemingly talk to anyone in the industry.
- coolspot 5y agoYep, can confirm: when Jensen Huang presented new RTX 30xx series, he literally pulled 3090 from the oven. https://youtu.be/q8ow_M5Hl2Q https://youtu.be/q8ow_M5Hl2Q
- KingMachiavelli 5y agoThe Phoenix area is really only has a metropolitan statistical area rank of 10 so it's about the size of Atlanta or the Boston area in terms of population. By GDP it's only 16 which is lower than the Detroit area. It is a lot of people but it's not even close to being #4 once you account for desert cities being physically larger due to geography and political needs. That said, SpaceX/Elon should not have sold the product anywhere where it could not withstand the environment.
- ultrarunner 5y agoMaybe I'm missing something, but it has a large population and is physically larger, thus it is less significant?
- maccam94 5y agoSprawl isn't really a positive indicator. Cities exist to support their population and economic activity, not cover land.
- ultrarunner 5y agoThat doesn't explain why it's less significant. It is a large cohesive city with elements of consistency, including its own culture. I have friends on the extreme east and west of the city. Less density is the result of insane central planning that resulted poorly, although predictably. That doesn't make it any less of a place.
- alisonkisk 5y agothe device works fine if you dont put it in an inuslating box open to the sun on top.