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C++ is an example of a language whose features were very thoughtfully considered and not bolted on at all when it was as young and untried as Rust is now.

by bregma 5y ago

N1H1L 5y ago
Yes. Let's see how much cruft Rust has in 10-15 years as usage accelerates? For example Rust's GPU support is not great right now - and it may very well feel bolted on a few years down the line.
throwaway894345 5y ago
By C++98 the language was already a hot mess, only 13 years after the language debuted. It's been 10 years since Rust first appeared, and its featureset shows no signs of cruft, nor does its trajectory indicate that it's going to acquire a lot of cruft in the next 3 years. I think it's more likely that Rust just benefited from lots of hindsight with respect to C++'s mistakes. Note also that since C++11, the language has been evolving quite quickly and the features released since have been some of the most thoughtful.
- tialaramex 5y ago
  Either C++98 is 16 years after it debuted, or it has only been 6 years since Rust appeared. You can't tweak both these timelines in opposite directions and claim to be comparing anything. By 1985 C++ has a published book describing the language (which I still own somewhere, it's terrible) and a commercial implementation as well as Stroustrup's code. While in June 2011 Rust isn't even "pre-alpha" and is just learning how to bootstrap.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    Wikipedia says C++ and Rust first appeared in ‘85 and ‘10 respectively. Therefore C++98 is a 13 year old version of C++ and Rust today is about 10 years old. It’s entirely possible that Wikipedia uses “first appeared” to mean different things in either article, but I’m assuming (rightly or wrongly) that they aren’t doing that.
    - lenkite 5y ago
      The inception of C++ programming language began in 1979 when Bjarne Stroustrup was working in his Ph.D. thesis. https://www.stroustrup.com/hopl2.pdf https://www.stroustrup.com/hopl2.pdf

C++ is an example of a language whose features were very thoughtfully considered and not bolted on at all when it was as young and untried as Rust is now.

by bregma 5y ago

C++ is an example of a language whose features were very thoughtfully considered and not bolted on at all when it was as young and untried as Rust is now.

N1H1L 5y ago

Yes. Let's see how much cruft Rust has in 10-15 years as usage accelerates? For example Rust's GPU support is not great right now - and it may very well feel bolted on a few years down the line.

throwaway894345 5y ago

By C++98 the language was already a hot mess, only 13 years after the language debuted. It's been 10 years since Rust first appeared, and its featureset shows no signs of cruft, nor does its trajectory indicate that it's going to acquire a lot of cruft in the next 3 years. I think it's more likely that Rust just benefited from lots of hindsight with respect to C++'s mistakes. Note also that since C++11, the language has been evolving quite quickly and the features released since have been some of the most thoughtful.

tialaramex 5y ago
Either C++98 is 16 years after it debuted, or it has only been 6 years since Rust appeared. You can't tweak both these timelines in opposite directions and claim to be comparing anything. By 1985 C++ has a published book describing the language (which I still own somewhere, it's terrible) and a commercial implementation as well as Stroustrup's code. While in June 2011 Rust isn't even "pre-alpha" and is just learning how to bootstrap.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  Wikipedia says C++ and Rust first appeared in ‘85 and ‘10 respectively. Therefore C++98 is a 13 year old version of C++ and Rust today is about 10 years old. It’s entirely possible that Wikipedia uses “first appeared” to mean different things in either article, but I’m assuming (rightly or wrongly) that they aren’t doing that.
  - lenkite 5y ago
    The inception of C++ programming language began in 1979 when Bjarne Stroustrup was working in his Ph.D. thesis. https://www.stroustrup.com/hopl2.pdf https://www.stroustrup.com/hopl2.pdf