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The next step for Disney is to make a Jesus movie and start collecting royalties on sales of the Bible.

hirundo 5y ago
The dude apparently has some impressive superpowers: https://www.simplybible.com/f744-revln-seven-powers-of-christ.htm https://www.simplybible.com/f744-revln-seven-powers-of-chris... Jesus as Superhero is a common Christian theme: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jesus+superhero https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jesus+superhero But they'd have to either treat him as a Mary Sue, and be boring, or make him a character with human flaws, which would offend people.
- edoceo 5y ago
  Probably skip the part where you're supposed to love and help your fellow terrans too.
- TchoBeer 5y ago
  Jesus Christ Superstar did the latter and it was good, though ig I'm not a Christian and thus am not the one who would be getting offended
  - runarberg 5y ago
    Whenever I listen to Superstar I can’t shake the feeling that Jesus was a boring prog rocker unwilling to move to a different genre, while Judas was a funk, much more willing to embrace the full spectrum of rock music. I always root for Judas for that reason.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    I was apparently at least mildly controversial and offended both some Christians and Jews when it came out. Though that's probably par for the course with any production depicting Jesus. I don't think it was highly controversial.
- bitwize 5y ago
  One of the reasons why I like the story of Final Fantasy XV, as fragmented as it is, is because Noctis is a messiah in the same way Jesus was: a king of royal lineage, prophesied to save the world by sacrificing himself. Yet Noctis, unlike Jesus, is a flawed person who starts the game concerned with little but himself and maybe his friends. The arc of the game shows his struggles and sacrifices, all of which culminate in him earning his worthiness to save the world. That makes it an interesting messiah story, imho. On the other hand, if you go onto the dark side of YouTube, there's a guy named Professor Geek. His traditionalist views on mythological heroes and opposition to the injection of current-year politics into modern mythological media like comic books automatically make him a mouthpiece of the alt-right and anything he says is not to be trusted. But should you trust some of the things he says, there are interesting perspectives in his videos on the two major types of hero: the aspirational hero, a character representing an ideal to be striven for; and the cathartic-motivational hero, a flawed character who is struggling to approach the ideal. Think Superman and Batman. Jesus is clearly supposed to be an aspirational hero. His story is not supposed to be that of a flawed person struggling to be better. He is a template to show what a good person looks like: become more like Jesus, and you will be better. The Christian answer to the cathartic-motivational hero is Saul of Tarsus. Maybe some of the Apostles also count. So even though I personally find Jesus boring (and this was a factor in me renouncing my Christian faith), the Jesus narrative does serve a mythological function.
  - runarberg 5y ago
    I think Peter is the ultimate example of the latter. A person who rejects Jesus in the ultimate moment, then repents it, and changes to embrace Jesus as the sole think he lives for. He will ultimately die for Jesus, crucified up-side down because he doesn’t deserve the same fate as Jesus (the perfect being). This story has everything a Christian could hope to be. Accepting Jesus, Jesus as the ultimate human, repentance, and the forgiveness of once sins.
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tyingq 5y ago
You are apparently not allowed to manufacture any denim jeans with the "Jesus" mark. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578302060560501092 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578302...
layoutIfNeeded 5y ago
Didn’t they have a Moses movie? Or was it DreamWorks?
- devoutsalsa 5y ago
  Are you thinking of Dreamworks' Prince of Egypt? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/
  - layoutIfNeeded 5y ago
    Yes!
CarelessExpert 5y ago
The creator themselves, in a subsequent Tweet, stated their's is a reference to the comic book character (https://twitter.com/YourBoswell/status/1405863275997413384 https://twitter.com/YourBoswell/status/1405863275997413384), not the mythological character. So, no, this is in the controversy you think it is.
- falcolas 5y ago
  The comic book is not owned by disney. Its a Neil Gaiman version of Loki from American Gods.
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    Is that corroborated somewhere? I dug up an archive of the product page: https://web.archive.org/web/20210409183213/https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Low-Key-Loki-by-ChosenOfAshurha/40626220.0RKN6 https://web.archive.org/web/20210409183213/https://www.redbu... And while the design itself is ambiguous, I'll note that the t-shirt tags specifically include "marvel t-shirts" in the list, and the All Product Tags list includes "marvel" as well. That would seem to contradict the idea that this was intended to be a reference to the Gaiman character. Edit: A commenter below noted that the person's profile picture, which includes this t-shirt, clearly references the Marvel character as well: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1337356777113985024/e-asnJmh_400x400.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1337356777113985024/e-a... So no, I think you're mistaken and this t-shirt was a reference to the Marvel IP.
    - falcolas 5y ago
      https://americangods.fandom.com/wiki/Low_Key_Lyesmith https://americangods.fandom.com/wiki/Low_Key_Lyesmith Marvel has never referred to their Loki (at least in the movies) as "Low Key"
      - dllthomas 5y ago
        Not in the movies. So what? Marvel is a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney, and the image above (with Loki wearing a Low Key shirt) is plainly from a Marvel comic (a little digging seems to indicate it's https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/80467/loki_the_god_who_fell_to_earth_trade_paperback https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/80467/loki_the_god_...). Edited to add: Note that I think there's very much a good argument to be made that this stuff does or should fall well in bound of what fans can do in referencing a work, I just think that "it's not even the same character!" is off base.

The dude apparently has some impressive superpowers: https://www.simplybible.com/f744-revln-seven-powers-of-christ.htm https://www.simplybible.com/f744-revln-seven-powers-of-chris... Jesus as Superhero is a common Christian theme: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jesus+superhero https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jesus+superhero But they'd have to either treat him as a Mary Sue, and be boring, or make him a character with human flaws, which would offend people.

edoceo 5y ago
Probably skip the part where you're supposed to love and help your fellow terrans too.
TchoBeer 5y ago
Jesus Christ Superstar did the latter and it was good, though ig I'm not a Christian and thus am not the one who would be getting offended
- runarberg 5y ago
  Whenever I listen to Superstar I can’t shake the feeling that Jesus was a boring prog rocker unwilling to move to a different genre, while Judas was a funk, much more willing to embrace the full spectrum of rock music. I always root for Judas for that reason.
- ghaff 5y ago
  I was apparently at least mildly controversial and offended both some Christians and Jews when it came out. Though that's probably par for the course with any production depicting Jesus. I don't think it was highly controversial.
bitwize 5y ago
One of the reasons why I like the story of Final Fantasy XV, as fragmented as it is, is because Noctis is a messiah in the same way Jesus was: a king of royal lineage, prophesied to save the world by sacrificing himself. Yet Noctis, unlike Jesus, is a flawed person who starts the game concerned with little but himself and maybe his friends. The arc of the game shows his struggles and sacrifices, all of which culminate in him earning his worthiness to save the world. That makes it an interesting messiah story, imho. On the other hand, if you go onto the dark side of YouTube, there's a guy named Professor Geek. His traditionalist views on mythological heroes and opposition to the injection of current-year politics into modern mythological media like comic books automatically make him a mouthpiece of the alt-right and anything he says is not to be trusted. But should you trust some of the things he says, there are interesting perspectives in his videos on the two major types of hero: the aspirational hero, a character representing an ideal to be striven for; and the cathartic-motivational hero, a flawed character who is struggling to approach the ideal. Think Superman and Batman. Jesus is clearly supposed to be an aspirational hero. His story is not supposed to be that of a flawed person struggling to be better. He is a template to show what a good person looks like: become more like Jesus, and you will be better. The Christian answer to the cathartic-motivational hero is Saul of Tarsus. Maybe some of the Apostles also count. So even though I personally find Jesus boring (and this was a factor in me renouncing my Christian faith), the Jesus narrative does serve a mythological function.
- runarberg 5y ago
  I think Peter is the ultimate example of the latter. A person who rejects Jesus in the ultimate moment, then repents it, and changes to embrace Jesus as the sole think he lives for. He will ultimately die for Jesus, crucified up-side down because he doesn’t deserve the same fate as Jesus (the perfect being). This story has everything a Christian could hope to be. Accepting Jesus, Jesus as the ultimate human, repentance, and the forgiveness of once sins.

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tyingq 5y ago

You are apparently not allowed to manufacture any denim jeans with the "Jesus" mark. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578302060560501092 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578302...

layoutIfNeeded 5y ago

Didn’t they have a Moses movie? Or was it DreamWorks?

devoutsalsa 5y ago
Are you thinking of Dreamworks' Prince of Egypt? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/
- layoutIfNeeded 5y ago
  Yes!

CarelessExpert 5y ago

The creator themselves, in a subsequent Tweet, stated their's is a reference to the comic book character (https://twitter.com/YourBoswell/status/1405863275997413384 https://twitter.com/YourBoswell/status/1405863275997413384), not the mythological character. So, no, this is in the controversy you think it is.

falcolas 5y ago
The comic book is not owned by disney. Its a Neil Gaiman version of Loki from American Gods.
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  Is that corroborated somewhere? I dug up an archive of the product page: https://web.archive.org/web/20210409183213/https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Low-Key-Loki-by-ChosenOfAshurha/40626220.0RKN6 https://web.archive.org/web/20210409183213/https://www.redbu... And while the design itself is ambiguous, I'll note that the t-shirt tags specifically include "marvel t-shirts" in the list, and the All Product Tags list includes "marvel" as well. That would seem to contradict the idea that this was intended to be a reference to the Gaiman character. Edit: A commenter below noted that the person's profile picture, which includes this t-shirt, clearly references the Marvel character as well: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1337356777113985024/e-asnJmh_400x400.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1337356777113985024/e-a... So no, I think you're mistaken and this t-shirt was a reference to the Marvel IP.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    https://americangods.fandom.com/wiki/Low_Key_Lyesmith https://americangods.fandom.com/wiki/Low_Key_Lyesmith Marvel has never referred to their Loki (at least in the movies) as "Low Key"
    - dllthomas 5y ago
      Not in the movies. So what? Marvel is a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney, and the image above (with Loki wearing a Low Key shirt) is plainly from a Marvel comic (a little digging seems to indicate it's https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/80467/loki_the_god_who_fell_to_earth_trade_paperback https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/80467/loki_the_god_...). Edited to add: Note that I think there's very much a good argument to be made that this stuff does or should fall well in bound of what fans can do in referencing a work, I just think that "it's not even the same character!" is off base.