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Fear mongering. A competitor maybe? Someone with an agenda against Eich because of the donation debacle? Privacy-wise, either Firefox or Brave are better than

by pedro2 5y ago

Fear mongering. A competitor maybe? Someone with an agenda against Eich because of the donation debacle? Privacy-wise, either Firefox or Brave are better than Chrome. Ads are annoying but they do fund the net.

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nextlevelwizard 5y ago
If you've visited /g/ lately you know how much Brave is pumping threads that are basically just ads for Brave. I wouldn't immediately jump to competitor conclusion (and even they were they have good points) To be Brave's model has always been bat shit insane. >Ads are annoying but they do fund the net. This is a complete lie. If your website can not survive without ads then it shouldn't exist. Running a website takes almost no capital. Only people who are afraid about ad insdustry being destroyed (expect of course the people running the industry) are shitty blogs and useless news sites, because the truth is their content is so sub par that no one in their right minds would pay anything for it, but at least they can scam people into being sold onwards to advertisers. Everyone should be running uBlock Origin. Everyone should be running ad blocking DNS. Websites that don't allow adblocks aren't worth visiting in the first place.
annoyingnoob 5y ago
Disagree. Brave's approach to funding is at odds with privacy. The concept of warming up to ads to get paid is capitulating to the advertising industry. While I did not appreciate the tone of the article, there are some valid points there. Brave may be better than Chrome but there are still better options. It might be better to get a common cold virus than it is to get covid-19, but I'd still rather not get any virus. Sites that don't work right when you block all of the tracking lose me, I won't capitulate.
- jonathansampson 5y ago
  "Brave's approach to funding is at odds with privacy." Elaborate, please. Brave's ad model is built for privacy and security. User's must first opt-in. Your data remains on your device. Ad catalogs are downloaded and reviewed locally. You are rewarded when you see an ad notification. I repeat, rewards are granted when your attention has been spent; no clicks necessary. I discussed the model further in this recent 5-minute video: https://youtu.be/LsrrT502luI https://youtu.be/LsrrT502luI
  - annoyingnoob 5y ago
    Brave is its own ad network and offers targeting to over 200 IAB categories. I don't agree that profiling my demographics and offering them up for sale is protecting my privacy, even if that does not include PII. If I want to skip out on Brave Ads then I don't really need the Brave browser.
    - jonathansampson 5y ago
      You're going to have to help me understand how Brave's current ad model is at odds with protecting your privacy. Brave [does not] send any data to advertisers. That means no PII from the user, no meta data from the user, and no cohort ID or anything else for the user.
      - annoyingnoob 5y ago
        > Brave [does not] send any data to advertisers. What about Brave itself? Brave Ads offers a lot of IAB advertising categories for sale to advertisers. If everything is pushed to the client and happens on the client, how does Brave Ads even know which IAB categories might be missing (and not exactly for sale in its network)? How would an advertiser know if/when an ad was even served? The model still relies on assessing the folks that install Brave to know what you have to sell, and advertisers at least feeling like they are getting value from that advertising, most want some kind of measurable result. It would seem that some information is flowing back to Brave to allow for attribution and payments. Why do I trust anyone to hold this information? How can I know what happens to this information in the future? I can probably be deanonymized from Brave data.

by pedro2 5y ago

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nextlevelwizard 5y ago

If you've visited /g/ lately you know how much Brave is pumping threads that are basically just ads for Brave. I wouldn't immediately jump to competitor conclusion (and even they were they have good points) To be Brave's model has always been bat shit insane. >Ads are annoying but they do fund the net. This is a complete lie. If your website can not survive without ads then it shouldn't exist. Running a website takes almost no capital. Only people who are afraid about ad insdustry being destroyed (expect of course the people running the industry) are shitty blogs and useless news sites, because the truth is their content is so sub par that no one in their right minds would pay anything for it, but at least they can scam people into being sold onwards to advertisers. Everyone should be running uBlock Origin. Everyone should be running ad blocking DNS. Websites that don't allow adblocks aren't worth visiting in the first place.

annoyingnoob 5y ago

Disagree. Brave's approach to funding is at odds with privacy. The concept of warming up to ads to get paid is capitulating to the advertising industry. While I did not appreciate the tone of the article, there are some valid points there. Brave may be better than Chrome but there are still better options. It might be better to get a common cold virus than it is to get covid-19, but I'd still rather not get any virus. Sites that don't work right when you block all of the tracking lose me, I won't capitulate.

jonathansampson 5y ago
"Brave's approach to funding is at odds with privacy." Elaborate, please. Brave's ad model is built for privacy and security. User's must first opt-in. Your data remains on your device. Ad catalogs are downloaded and reviewed locally. You are rewarded when you see an ad notification. I repeat, rewards are granted when your attention has been spent; no clicks necessary. I discussed the model further in this recent 5-minute video: https://youtu.be/LsrrT502luI https://youtu.be/LsrrT502luI
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  Brave is its own ad network and offers targeting to over 200 IAB categories. I don't agree that profiling my demographics and offering them up for sale is protecting my privacy, even if that does not include PII. If I want to skip out on Brave Ads then I don't really need the Brave browser.
  - jonathansampson 5y ago
    You're going to have to help me understand how Brave's current ad model is at odds with protecting your privacy. Brave [does not] send any data to advertisers. That means no PII from the user, no meta data from the user, and no cohort ID or anything else for the user.
    - annoyingnoob 5y ago
      > Brave [does not] send any data to advertisers. What about Brave itself? Brave Ads offers a lot of IAB advertising categories for sale to advertisers. If everything is pushed to the client and happens on the client, how does Brave Ads even know which IAB categories might be missing (and not exactly for sale in its network)? How would an advertiser know if/when an ad was even served? The model still relies on assessing the folks that install Brave to know what you have to sell, and advertisers at least feeling like they are getting value from that advertising, most want some kind of measurable result. It would seem that some information is flowing back to Brave to allow for attribution and payments. Why do I trust anyone to hold this information? How can I know what happens to this information in the future? I can probably be deanonymized from Brave data.