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I think it is acceptable and laudable to include the name of a police officer engaged in unjustified brutality. Call if doxxing if you like, but in a case like

I think it is acceptable and laudable to include the name of a police officer engaged in unjustified brutality. Call if doxxing if you like, but in a case like this it has the potential to bring accountability, and to righteously damage his employment prospects. A policy that uniformly bans such identification, particularly by a public official with so much power and such broad immunity, helps perpetuate the injustice. I don't think we'd be better off if we never heard the name "Derek Chauvin".

driverdan 5y ago
Disclosing the name of a public figure is not doxxing.
- mc32 5y ago
  Are scions of politicians public figures?
  - stronglikedan 5y ago
    Yes and no. Realistically and unfortunately, they are, but ideally, they shouldn't be, unless they choose to participate on the public stage.
    - mc32 5y ago
      Would trading on their political parents’ connections and or fame be a form of “participation”? (I would think a majority fall into this category).
warent 5y ago
Maybe I'm missing something nuanced here but to me this seems very simple. Police are public servants. Imagine if we couldn't name politicians for their behavior. ("Someone voted for a law you don't like? Posting pictures of them is not allowed!") Notice we're just talking about any behavior here; good or bad doesn't matter. The actions of a public servant on the job should be subject to scrutiny by the public, particularly when behaving publicly (as opposed to confidentially. For example we don't necessarily want to leak undercover/spy information) This cop isn't some private security worker who is innocent until proven guilty. By becoming a public servant, you are held to a higher degree of scrutiny. If you don't like it, no problem! The answer is equally as simple: quit and work in the private sector, end of story.
- cyanydeez 5y ago
  any nontrivially size social media needs to be concerned by the virality of negative conduct of its viewership, regardless of the righteous nature, particukarly because its quite easy for outsiders to manipulate the context.
  - warent 5y ago
    I completely agree with the outsider manipulation part (e.g. how it affects US elections), what im not clear on is how this affects clear speech
    - warent 5y ago
      correction: I said "clear" and meant "free"
yaomtc 5y ago
Here is what occured after the incident. (I am not in support of reddit's action, just providing context.) > John Pike was subsequently fired, despite a recommendation that he face disciplinary action but be kept on the job. As of August 2014, Alex Lee was no longer listed in a state salary-database as working at UC Davis. > In October 2013, a judge ruled that Lt. John Pike, the lead pepper sprayer, would be paid $38,000 in worker's compensation benefits, to compensate for “[the] suffering he experienced after the incident”. Apart from the worker's compensation award, he retained his retirement credits. The three dozen student demonstrators, meanwhile, were collectively awarded US$1 million by UC Davis in a settlement from a federal lawsuit, with each pepper-sprayed student receiving $30,000 individually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident Here is the legal declaration by John Pike "detailing harassment and threats to him after he was identified as an officer who was involved in the Incident." https://localwiki.org/davis/Declaration_of_John_Pike https://localwiki.org/davis/Declaration_of_John_Pike
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driverdan 5y ago

Disclosing the name of a public figure is not doxxing.

mc32 5y ago
Are scions of politicians public figures?
- stronglikedan 5y ago
  Yes and no. Realistically and unfortunately, they are, but ideally, they shouldn't be, unless they choose to participate on the public stage.
  - mc32 5y ago
    Would trading on their political parents’ connections and or fame be a form of “participation”? (I would think a majority fall into this category).

warent 5y ago

Maybe I'm missing something nuanced here but to me this seems very simple. Police are public servants. Imagine if we couldn't name politicians for their behavior. ("Someone voted for a law you don't like? Posting pictures of them is not allowed!") Notice we're just talking about any behavior here; good or bad doesn't matter. The actions of a public servant on the job should be subject to scrutiny by the public, particularly when behaving publicly (as opposed to confidentially. For example we don't necessarily want to leak undercover/spy information) This cop isn't some private security worker who is innocent until proven guilty. By becoming a public servant, you are held to a higher degree of scrutiny. If you don't like it, no problem! The answer is equally as simple: quit and work in the private sector, end of story.

cyanydeez 5y ago
any nontrivially size social media needs to be concerned by the virality of negative conduct of its viewership, regardless of the righteous nature, particukarly because its quite easy for outsiders to manipulate the context.
- warent 5y ago
  I completely agree with the outsider manipulation part (e.g. how it affects US elections), what im not clear on is how this affects clear speech
  - warent 5y ago
    correction: I said "clear" and meant "free"

yaomtc 5y ago

Here is what occured after the incident. (I am not in support of reddit's action, just providing context.) > John Pike was subsequently fired, despite a recommendation that he face disciplinary action but be kept on the job. As of August 2014, Alex Lee was no longer listed in a state salary-database as working at UC Davis. > In October 2013, a judge ruled that Lt. John Pike, the lead pepper sprayer, would be paid $38,000 in worker's compensation benefits, to compensate for “[the] suffering he experienced after the incident”. Apart from the worker's compensation award, he retained his retirement credits. The three dozen student demonstrators, meanwhile, were collectively awarded US$1 million by UC Davis in a settlement from a federal lawsuit, with each pepper-sprayed student receiving $30,000 individually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident Here is the legal declaration by John Pike "detailing harassment and threats to him after he was identified as an officer who was involved in the Incident." https://localwiki.org/davis/Declaration_of_John_Pike https://localwiki.org/davis/Declaration_of_John_Pike

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