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Gripe about 95%+ of the articles that mention Apple, Android and rim: They all talk about winning, like if apple/android/rim don't do x, apple/android/rim will

Gripe about 95%+ of the articles that mention Apple, Android and rim: They all talk about winning, like if apple/android/rim don't do x, apple/android/rim will "win". This article makes the case that Android has already won. When I play a game, and someone wins, everyone stops playing. There is a winner. No point in playing. That is not what is happening here. Apple, Android, and even Rim all have profits that are growing. No one has lost. Rim might be in trouble, in that their growth looks like it isn't sustainable, and their product appears to be falling behind. But even if rim is eventually going to "lose", it is a long way off. To talk about android or apple "winning" at this point is absurd. Both sides are making far too much money to even begin considering giving up.

davidw 15y ago
There are a lot of "winner takes all" markets in IT. Ignoring that possibility is something you can't do as a big company.
speckledjim 15y ago
Stranger things have happened. Look at the games console wars. Sega? Atari? Once completely dominating, then in a very short space of time dead.
- electromagnetic 15y ago
  Sega and Atari disappeared because they were unwilling to deliver what people wanted. There was no market for Nintendo, Sega and Atari delivering family friendly games, especially when Sony came in and started delivering family and adult games. It became even harder when Microsoft came in and joined the domination of the market. This has little relevance to phones. It would have been relevant if Android had refused to include SMS in its phones, but essentially Microsoft/Apple/RIM/Android phones are all the same with a few shiny and rather useless differences. The key relevance in the smartphone market is if Apple is going to be able to sustain its phone and app store as phones and tablets become powerful enough to run flash natively. No ones going to pay for angry birds when it's free on New Grounds or Kongregate or any of the dozen massive Flash game sites that will jump all over a phone/tablet capable of running actual games. IMO the only relevance your analogy has is to apple, because they truly don't grasp what people want. People don't waste hours a day playing flash games on Kongregate or Facebook because they have to pay $1 or more for the privilege of downloading it. When I'm paying $30 for a data plan, I don't plan on paying more for a game, just as when I'm paying $80 for my cable connection, I don't expect to pay more for the privilege of actually watching a TV show. Our world runs on advertising, there's advertising on everything, everywhere. I can't walk out my door, turn on the TV or go on the computer without seeing a dozen adverts inside 5 minutes. I mean a billion people have watched Lady Gaga through Youtube and have seen an advert before and a popup advert during the video. Sorry, but Apple needs to get to the reality that people expect things to be advertising supported.
rorrr 15y ago
Both RIM and AAPL profits are going down for the first time in many years: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE:RIM&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE:RIM&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii
- podperson 15y ago
  AAPL's profits go down after the Christmas peak _every_ year. (I wouldn't be surprised if RIM's do too. RIM's problem has been that it has continued growing and getting more money despite falling deeper into a huge technical quagmire. The former allowed it to ignore the latter.) I'd rather have Apple's graph than Google's: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GOOG&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GOOG&fstype=ii (Not saying Google is in any trouble either, but flat after not much growth...)
- fbuilesv 15y ago
  I'm not familiar with RIM but your AAPL comment is just wrong. If you look at the data you linked you can see that the results of 2011 Q1 are almost as high as Q4 2010 (typically the best quarter of the year). It's lower than the previous quarter but that's just because of the holiday season. 2011 Q1 was the second highest quarter in revenue for Apple in its _history_ so they're definitely not going down.
celsius1414 15y ago
It's the difference between "winning" and "defeating." It's not enough to win, you must defeat your enemies before they defeat you.

davidw 15y ago

There are a lot of "winner takes all" markets in IT. Ignoring that possibility is something you can't do as a big company.

speckledjim 15y ago

Stranger things have happened. Look at the games console wars. Sega? Atari? Once completely dominating, then in a very short space of time dead.

electromagnetic 15y ago
Sega and Atari disappeared because they were unwilling to deliver what people wanted. There was no market for Nintendo, Sega and Atari delivering family friendly games, especially when Sony came in and started delivering family and adult games. It became even harder when Microsoft came in and joined the domination of the market. This has little relevance to phones. It would have been relevant if Android had refused to include SMS in its phones, but essentially Microsoft/Apple/RIM/Android phones are all the same with a few shiny and rather useless differences. The key relevance in the smartphone market is if Apple is going to be able to sustain its phone and app store as phones and tablets become powerful enough to run flash natively. No ones going to pay for angry birds when it's free on New Grounds or Kongregate or any of the dozen massive Flash game sites that will jump all over a phone/tablet capable of running actual games. IMO the only relevance your analogy has is to apple, because they truly don't grasp what people want. People don't waste hours a day playing flash games on Kongregate or Facebook because they have to pay $1 or more for the privilege of downloading it. When I'm paying $30 for a data plan, I don't plan on paying more for a game, just as when I'm paying $80 for my cable connection, I don't expect to pay more for the privilege of actually watching a TV show. Our world runs on advertising, there's advertising on everything, everywhere. I can't walk out my door, turn on the TV or go on the computer without seeing a dozen adverts inside 5 minutes. I mean a billion people have watched Lady Gaga through Youtube and have seen an advert before and a popup advert during the video. Sorry, but Apple needs to get to the reality that people expect things to be advertising supported.

rorrr 15y ago

Both RIM and AAPL profits are going down for the first time in many years: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE:RIM&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE:RIM&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii

podperson 15y ago
AAPL's profits go down after the Christmas peak _every_ year. (I wouldn't be surprised if RIM's do too. RIM's problem has been that it has continued growing and getting more money despite falling deeper into a huge technical quagmire. The former allowed it to ignore the latter.) I'd rather have Apple's graph than Google's: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GOOG&fstype=ii http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GOOG&fstype=ii (Not saying Google is in any trouble either, but flat after not much growth...)
fbuilesv 15y ago
I'm not familiar with RIM but your AAPL comment is just wrong. If you look at the data you linked you can see that the results of 2011 Q1 are almost as high as Q4 2010 (typically the best quarter of the year). It's lower than the previous quarter but that's just because of the holiday season. 2011 Q1 was the second highest quarter in revenue for Apple in its _history_ so they're definitely not going down.

celsius1414 15y ago

It's the difference between "winning" and "defeating." It's not enough to win, you must defeat your enemies before they defeat you.