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Fyi, the founders of GB news are both Americans. Its an American import. I am sure there is a market for it sadly. But don't lump that bs on us English please :

Fyi, the founders of GB news are both Americans. Its an American import. I am sure there is a market for it sadly. But don't lump that bs on us English please :) Linkedin: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-schneider-12b4927 https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-schneider-12b4927 (moved over to run it) https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewjamescole https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewjamescole (still in the States). I think its important to recognise that all these groups, from GB news to the brexit campaign are NOT ground swells of public opinion. They're moneied interests, often foreign, using cash to change politics and bypass democracy...

gadders 5y ago
>>brexit campaign are NOT ground swells of public opinion There was a referendum recently that proved you wrong. Perhaps reflecting on why the EU was so unpopular would be more productive than blaming fictional foreign interests and low information voters.
- soco 5y ago
  As it happened, the foreign interest were properly documented in the parliamentary "The Russia Report" of 2020 (and not only). I don't think we can ignore any of this in good faith.
  - gadders 5y ago
    The response to that report said that "We have seen no evidence of successful interference in the EU Referendum."
    - celticninja 5y ago
      yet Boris is selling seats in the House of Lords to Russians and they tried to stop the release of the report. So to assume they didnt have a hand in editing the findings is perhaps putting too much faith in the UK government. And right now, any, is too much.
      - phpnode 5y ago
        let's not humour that guy by using his stage name
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  Actually, it makes my point: the whole Leave campaign was foreign funded, filled with lies and controlled by rich right wing interests. And it worked. Decades of fake news about the bendiness of bananas, pushed by loss making media made enormous numbers of people honestly believe the EU wanted to eat their babies...
  - gadders 5y ago
    >> the whole Leave campaign was foreign funded, filled with lies and controlled by rich right wing interests And yet it had the whole mechanism of a right wing government working against it. So to summarise your position: Vote goes your way: This is the authentic will of the people Vote doesn't go your way: Obviously this was caused by big business and foreign interests.
    - LatteLazy 5y ago
      >And yet it had the whole mechanism of a right wing government working against it. No it didn't. The only reason the vote was called was because the majority of that government demanded it. The current Conservative PM campaigned for it. There are a long list of senior tory party members who pushed it, dozens of former ministers etc. >So to summarise your position Please don't strawman my position for me. Fyi, I have no problem admitting Bojo won fair and square despite thinking he's a disgrace.
      - gadders 5y ago
        >>No it didn't. The only reason the vote was called was because the majority of that government demanded it. The current Conservative PM campaigned for it. There are a long list of senior tory party members who pushed it, dozens of former ministers etc. And yet the Conservative Prime Minister at the time campaigned against it, and even got the UK Government to send out a leaflet to every household in the UK advising to vote remain: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

gadders 5y ago

>>brexit campaign are NOT ground swells of public opinion There was a referendum recently that proved you wrong. Perhaps reflecting on why the EU was so unpopular would be more productive than blaming fictional foreign interests and low information voters.

soco 5y ago
As it happened, the foreign interest were properly documented in the parliamentary "The Russia Report" of 2020 (and not only). I don't think we can ignore any of this in good faith.
- gadders 5y ago
  The response to that report said that "We have seen no evidence of successful interference in the EU Referendum."
  - celticninja 5y ago
    yet Boris is selling seats in the House of Lords to Russians and they tried to stop the release of the report. So to assume they didnt have a hand in editing the findings is perhaps putting too much faith in the UK government. And right now, any, is too much.
    - phpnode 5y ago
      let's not humour that guy by using his stage name
LatteLazy 5y ago
Actually, it makes my point: the whole Leave campaign was foreign funded, filled with lies and controlled by rich right wing interests. And it worked. Decades of fake news about the bendiness of bananas, pushed by loss making media made enormous numbers of people honestly believe the EU wanted to eat their babies...
- gadders 5y ago
  >> the whole Leave campaign was foreign funded, filled with lies and controlled by rich right wing interests And yet it had the whole mechanism of a right wing government working against it. So to summarise your position: Vote goes your way: This is the authentic will of the people Vote doesn't go your way: Obviously this was caused by big business and foreign interests.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    >And yet it had the whole mechanism of a right wing government working against it. No it didn't. The only reason the vote was called was because the majority of that government demanded it. The current Conservative PM campaigned for it. There are a long list of senior tory party members who pushed it, dozens of former ministers etc. >So to summarise your position Please don't strawman my position for me. Fyi, I have no problem admitting Bojo won fair and square despite thinking he's a disgrace.
    - gadders 5y ago
      >>No it didn't. The only reason the vote was called was because the majority of that government demanded it. The current Conservative PM campaigned for it. There are a long list of senior tory party members who pushed it, dozens of former ministers etc. And yet the Conservative Prime Minister at the time campaigned against it, and even got the UK Government to send out a leaflet to every household in the UK advising to vote remain: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...