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I agree that they over-promise, etc. On the other hand, if it's a scam, Tesla owners should feel scammed. But as far as I can tell, Tesla owners are absolutel

I agree that they over-promise, etc. On the other hand, if it's a scam, Tesla owners should feel scammed. But as far as I can tell, Tesla owners are absolutely loving the car, even with the many small defects. Still seems that even though the car doesn't reach the marketing message, it still is one of the best on the market.

xvector 5y ago
As a Tesla owner I've grown pretty bitter with the car after 2 years. For $40k my auto wipers don't even work, Spotify playback is buggy, and I'm stuck with Tesla's shitty navigation instead of a sane alternative like Waze. I don't even have waypoints for planning trips, which are especially important for electric cars. In his hubris, Elon has outright rejected CarPlay - while doing absolutely nothing to improve the built in software. Tesla's stated range on the website is basically a complete lie. I can only safely budget ~160 miles, even though my SR+ was sold advertising ~240 miles. The interior quality is pretty terrible for the price and I have to pay Tesla to enable rear seat heating which my $40k car already has installed. I think Tesla will lose a not-insignificant amount of current owners when it's time to upgrade. A lot of us are sick of Tesla spending finances on adding worthless videogames when there are still serious shortcomings with the software. I am personally waiting for prices on the Audi e-tron GT to come down a bit, or for Porsche to release an electrified 718. The only issue is charging infrastructure, which Tesla absolutely dominates.
- kamray23 5y ago
  I mean I've heard the infotainment system on Teslas is closer to a cheap Android tablet glued to a car than a computer, kinda like a lot of smart TVs are. True or no? I've heard it has some performance issues.
  - xvector 5y ago
    The infotainment is the most responsive car industry - zero lag or stuttering, basically like an iPad. Unfortunately it is held back by buggy software and missing features. This could be remedied by Tesla allowing CarPlay or Android Auto, but Elon has said that won't be happening.
  - xauronx 5y ago
    Coming from a higher end Subaru… the Tesla system is a god send. I have complaints with my model Y, but that doesn’t even register (autopilot on the other hand, definitely tops the list).
- lathiat 5y ago
  If you watch the plaid launch they apparently finally added waypoints (and self joked about how that took so long) and a redesign of the UI. But unclear which models that will integrate back to or when.
henrikschroder 5y ago
A bunch of sunk cost fallacy together with the fact that many Tesla owners are painfully un-educated about the state of the car market. For a large portion of owners, their Tesla is the first car they've ever bought in the price class, maybe even the first car they've ever bought new. If the sum of your experience with cars only covers years-old ~$20k cars, and not similarly priced new sport/luxury ICE cars, you will be absolutely thrilled by all the tech in your Tesla, thinking it's unique and fantastic and the best car on the market.
czzr 5y ago
Typically people being scammed don’t feel like they are being scammed.
ryeights 5y ago
I am the owner of a 100k mile Tesla Model S. In its lifetime, I have had to replace the replace the main screen and dash twice due to yellowing and delamination. I am about to have to take it in for a third. I have replaced the MCU once due to an unexplained malfunction, and am about to go in for a second replacement due to a recall. On an average summer day, the car loses about 3-4 miles of charge parked in a garage. On exposed pavement, closer to 10 miles a day. The interior (spartan and cheaply constructed as it is) has steadily developed a variety of squeaks and rattles and the road noise at 60mph+ is very loud. The car can accelerate quickly but handling is not on par with even the most basic sports cars. In my opinion, Tesla cars are best in the market for one thing and that's straight line acceleration. For everything else you might value in a luxury/performance car, Tesla is pretty subpar.

xvector 5y ago

As a Tesla owner I've grown pretty bitter with the car after 2 years. For $40k my auto wipers don't even work, Spotify playback is buggy, and I'm stuck with Tesla's shitty navigation instead of a sane alternative like Waze. I don't even have waypoints for planning trips, which are especially important for electric cars. In his hubris, Elon has outright rejected CarPlay - while doing absolutely nothing to improve the built in software. Tesla's stated range on the website is basically a complete lie. I can only safely budget ~160 miles, even though my SR+ was sold advertising ~240 miles. The interior quality is pretty terrible for the price and I have to pay Tesla to enable rear seat heating which my $40k car already has installed. I think Tesla will lose a not-insignificant amount of current owners when it's time to upgrade. A lot of us are sick of Tesla spending finances on adding worthless videogames when there are still serious shortcomings with the software. I am personally waiting for prices on the Audi e-tron GT to come down a bit, or for Porsche to release an electrified 718. The only issue is charging infrastructure, which Tesla absolutely dominates.

kamray23 5y ago
I mean I've heard the infotainment system on Teslas is closer to a cheap Android tablet glued to a car than a computer, kinda like a lot of smart TVs are. True or no? I've heard it has some performance issues.
- xvector 5y ago
  The infotainment is the most responsive car industry - zero lag or stuttering, basically like an iPad. Unfortunately it is held back by buggy software and missing features. This could be remedied by Tesla allowing CarPlay or Android Auto, but Elon has said that won't be happening.
- xauronx 5y ago
  Coming from a higher end Subaru… the Tesla system is a god send. I have complaints with my model Y, but that doesn’t even register (autopilot on the other hand, definitely tops the list).
lathiat 5y ago
If you watch the plaid launch they apparently finally added waypoints (and self joked about how that took so long) and a redesign of the UI. But unclear which models that will integrate back to or when.

henrikschroder 5y ago

A bunch of sunk cost fallacy together with the fact that many Tesla owners are painfully un-educated about the state of the car market. For a large portion of owners, their Tesla is the first car they've ever bought in the price class, maybe even the first car they've ever bought new. If the sum of your experience with cars only covers years-old ~$20k cars, and not similarly priced new sport/luxury ICE cars, you will be absolutely thrilled by all the tech in your Tesla, thinking it's unique and fantastic and the best car on the market.

czzr 5y ago

Typically people being scammed don’t feel like they are being scammed.

ryeights 5y ago

I am the owner of a 100k mile Tesla Model S. In its lifetime, I have had to replace the replace the main screen and dash twice due to yellowing and delamination. I am about to have to take it in for a third. I have replaced the MCU once due to an unexplained malfunction, and am about to go in for a second replacement due to a recall. On an average summer day, the car loses about 3-4 miles of charge parked in a garage. On exposed pavement, closer to 10 miles a day. The interior (spartan and cheaply constructed as it is) has steadily developed a variety of squeaks and rattles and the road noise at 60mph+ is very loud. The car can accelerate quickly but handling is not on par with even the most basic sports cars. In my opinion, Tesla cars are best in the market for one thing and that's straight line acceleration. For everything else you might value in a luxury/performance car, Tesla is pretty subpar.