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Well the goal of Beijing is for the party to survive, there are many solutions between murdering us all and let HK become a country. I mean we're a city, we ha

by xwolfi 5y ago

Well the goal of Beijing is for the party to survive, there are many solutions between murdering us all and let HK become a country. I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? I propose to work around the party, like Macau, sing the anthem from time to time and basta, the problem can only be fixed by China as a whole, not at our level. Beijing cannot "back off" more violence, they can only double down. Put yourself in their shoe: if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition, how can a HK citizen think that burning a local metro station will make them "oh right, freedom is too important for HK, we should maybe even copy them". Before immediately jumping to desperate violence, maybe we can try to bribe them. Which is what we did before, and what we now do albeit with a bit more cost to re-assure that yes yes we're good patriots until the dragon goes back to sleep... I prefer to discuss about things in a less free Hong Kong than starve and steal in a mini Syria but you're welcome to solve problems that way where you live :D

baybal2 5y ago
> if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition, If you back down to a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, you support the mafia, and you become a man without honour. Such people never returned a punch to the face, and never prevailed. > I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? For the amount of money an average HK billionaire has, you can buy enough arms from Bulgaria, or Balkans to arm the whole HK population 10 times over.
- robjan 5y ago
  The average HK billionaire is rich because of China. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.
- petre 5y ago
  Since when is Bulgaria and the Balkans a military industrial complex? I thought the Bulgarians made tomatoes and peppers and the Serbs made slibovitz and plum jam. Both countries are homes to great food. North Macedonia too.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Guessing by your name, you are a local? South-East Europe is a huge producer, and trade centre for small arms, sometimes to the big surprise of their own citizens. While small arms are peanuts in comparison to jet fighters, and missiles by value on the world's arms market, they are still there, and Balkan makers have good prices, and collaborative governments.
    - petre 5y ago
      This article[1] sheds some light on small arms proliferation. Bulgaria and Serbia aren't even mentioned. While there are still lots of unlicensed rifles in the West Balkans[2], the bulk of small arms still comes from the US, Russia, China and Western European states. They're sold to dictators or given to rebel groups in conflict areas. The former are then stolen, smuggled and resold to rebel groups and civillians. 1. https://social.shorthand.com/ymuntaiwan/ug53Pq2PhT/disec-i-proliferation-of-small-arms-and-light-weaponry 2. http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/G-Issue-briefs/SAS-AV-IB4-Western-Balkans.pdf

by xwolfi 5y ago

baybal2 5y ago

> if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition, If you back down to a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, you support the mafia, and you become a man without honour. Such people never returned a punch to the face, and never prevailed. > I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? For the amount of money an average HK billionaire has, you can buy enough arms from Bulgaria, or Balkans to arm the whole HK population 10 times over.

robjan 5y ago
The average HK billionaire is rich because of China. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.
petre 5y ago
Since when is Bulgaria and the Balkans a military industrial complex? I thought the Bulgarians made tomatoes and peppers and the Serbs made slibovitz and plum jam. Both countries are homes to great food. North Macedonia too.
- baybal2 5y ago
  Guessing by your name, you are a local? South-East Europe is a huge producer, and trade centre for small arms, sometimes to the big surprise of their own citizens. While small arms are peanuts in comparison to jet fighters, and missiles by value on the world's arms market, they are still there, and Balkan makers have good prices, and collaborative governments.
  - petre 5y ago
    This article[1] sheds some light on small arms proliferation. Bulgaria and Serbia aren't even mentioned. While there are still lots of unlicensed rifles in the West Balkans[2], the bulk of small arms still comes from the US, Russia, China and Western European states. They're sold to dictators or given to rebel groups in conflict areas. The former are then stolen, smuggled and resold to rebel groups and civillians. 1. https://social.shorthand.com/ymuntaiwan/ug53Pq2PhT/disec-i-proliferation-of-small-arms-and-light-weaponry 2. http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/G-Issue-briefs/SAS-AV-IB4-Western-Balkans.pdf