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> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communist or authoritarian is suppressed or prosecuted). All these system needs to change in which minority are protected from tyranny of majority. > They could all offer residency programs for the bright students Agree with you they should also include every prosecuted community in the world in this program not just Hong Kong. Indeed program should be wide open to prosecuted minority from any country not just China. The bastion of democracy can demonstrate it in action not words, to really change the status quo. I don't hold my breathe for it, given most democracy also works on majoritarian politics it will be hard given national self-interests trumps humanity.

esyir 5y ago
While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others. China's abuses and lack of transparency far surpass any of the countries mentioned here. Trying to use an idiom to conceal whataboutism doesn't help.
- whydoibother 5y ago
  >While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others. America's is the worst. Perhaps China and the EU should band together to stop US hegemony and terrorism globally. Edit: Cool, so we can say that everyone should gang up on China for dubious reasons. But using that same logic for the US gets the post flagged. Can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy.
- dragonsh 5y ago
  > While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others Many countries will fit that bill ask yourself who destroyed people in Iraq, Afganistan and who supports Saudi Arabia for suppressing dissent with impunity, whats the status of minority and their rights in many of the countries mentioned above. Who helps prosecution of Palestinians. China has its own flaws like any other country. They are the target right now because of their relative economic success and ruling establishment enjoying majority support from its own population, which threatens some specific countries.
philliphaydon 5y ago
> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government. The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating. The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments oversight and approval. So that 95% approval isn’t real. But I sure as hell wouldn’t say I disapprove if I lived in china.
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  I find the 95% figure hilarious, frankly. As if 95% of any population on the face of the planet could agree on anything, much less a population of over a billion. It being as high as it is tells me it's fake. Not fake as in falsified directly, but definitely fake in that the citizens opinions are manipulated via information control. The later makes perfect sense with the 10% figure for local governments. You can lie to people about how things are going far away, but you can't lie to them about how they're going in their backyard.
  - jquery 5y ago
    5% disapproval is basically the lizard man constant, aka how many people believe our politicians are actually lizards wearing human skin. So claiming 95% approval is essentially claiming 100% approval. Patently absurd. Even in the days after 9/11 when America was memorably united as one, approval of Bush hit 90% (briefly), not 95%. It’s effectively impossible to have lasting super-high approval as a government anyway, because you’re in the business of picking winners and losers.
  - riffraff 5y ago
    Fun trivia: in Italian journalistic vernacular an hyper majority with no dissenting voices like this is called a "Bulgarian majority", referring to the former communist rule and obviously fake data. As much as times change, dictatorships stay the same.
- potatofarmer45 5y ago

esyir 5y ago

While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others. China's abuses and lack of transparency far surpass any of the countries mentioned here. Trying to use an idiom to conceal whataboutism doesn't help.

whydoibother 5y ago
>While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others. America's is the worst. Perhaps China and the EU should band together to stop US hegemony and terrorism globally. Edit: Cool, so we can say that everyone should gang up on China for dubious reasons. But using that same logic for the US gets the post flagged. Can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy.
dragonsh 5y ago
> While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others Many countries will fit that bill ask yourself who destroyed people in Iraq, Afganistan and who supports Saudi Arabia for suppressing dissent with impunity, whats the status of minority and their rights in many of the countries mentioned above. Who helps prosecution of Palestinians. China has its own flaws like any other country. They are the target right now because of their relative economic success and ruling establishment enjoying majority support from its own population, which threatens some specific countries.

philliphaydon 5y ago

> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government. The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating. The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments oversight and approval. So that 95% approval isn’t real. But I sure as hell wouldn’t say I disapprove if I lived in china.

BobbyJo 5y ago
I find the 95% figure hilarious, frankly. As if 95% of any population on the face of the planet could agree on anything, much less a population of over a billion. It being as high as it is tells me it's fake. Not fake as in falsified directly, but definitely fake in that the citizens opinions are manipulated via information control. The later makes perfect sense with the 10% figure for local governments. You can lie to people about how things are going far away, but you can't lie to them about how they're going in their backyard.
- jquery 5y ago
  5% disapproval is basically the lizard man constant, aka how many people believe our politicians are actually lizards wearing human skin. So claiming 95% approval is essentially claiming 100% approval. Patently absurd. Even in the days after 9/11 when America was memorably united as one, approval of Bush hit 90% (briefly), not 95%. It’s effectively impossible to have lasting super-high approval as a government anyway, because you’re in the business of picking winners and losers.
- riffraff 5y ago
  Fun trivia: in Italian journalistic vernacular an hyper majority with no dissenting voices like this is called a "Bulgarian majority", referring to the former communist rule and obviously fake data. As much as times change, dictatorships stay the same.
potatofarmer45 5y ago