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I know 3 of them. They only receive responses from jobs similiar to, but not actually software dev. Basically tech support jobs but you have to know the basics

I know 3 of them. They only receive responses from jobs similiar to, but not actually software dev. Basically tech support jobs but you have to know the basics of a windows/bash command line. No dev work involved. Companies advertise they're hiring. Like they advertise that they're profitable, make the best products, and are better than their competition. That doesn't mean it's true. Many positions are "nice to have", so they will stay there until they get someone with far more experience on paper than they actually need - someone willing to get paid less of course. People lie, especially companies. That's the nature of the market. Even if we had 5x the devs than employers, employers would still say otherwise. This is because more competition between applicants means you can pay people less. Infact even during the dotcom boom my sister actually got a degree in "web development", and nobody wanted anything to do with her. I don't know who comes out with these lies about "high demand" employment but so far all I've seen is confirmation bias by those already employed - ignoring all the rest of the people who can't get anywhere, leave it behind, and go work at something else.

flunhat 5y ago
The data doesn't bear this out though -- the median* salary for a software developer is not only substantially higher than the national average salary, the rate of growth is also higher: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/5n4R_Osks_fVsVmedxJKsp9zPuRlc5VuDObk0DSeHzyrbAE181ThHXKgsSiTJUgnVYItw7aI7ovRqgKvdqxAkflmC9eQ2Z3v3CZbxToxgnJlSfXANViai37EdxHiz9xZltWWXBzH https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/5n4R_Osks_fVsVmedxJKsp9zPu... That's empirical evidence of a tight labor market that's difficult to fake. Why else would salaries rise so quickly from such a high base? Even if employers lie (they do), the salary numbers from BLS are separate from that. Of course, there are always people who slip through the cracks unfortunately. But avoiding anecdotes and looking purely at the numbers, it's difficult to find a labor market in the USA that's tighter than the one for software engineers.
- totony 5y ago
  >Why else would salaries rise so quickly from such a high base? This can be explain by FAANG paying more, or people being more risk averse of having bad devs (ie hiring less, but paying more for more skilled).

flunhat 5y ago

The data doesn't bear this out though -- the median* salary for a software developer is not only substantially higher than the national average salary, the rate of growth is also higher: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/5n4R_Osks_fVsVmedxJKsp9zPuRlc5VuDObk0DSeHzyrbAE181ThHXKgsSiTJUgnVYItw7aI7ovRqgKvdqxAkflmC9eQ2Z3v3CZbxToxgnJlSfXANViai37EdxHiz9xZltWWXBzH https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/5n4R_Osks_fVsVmedxJKsp9zPu... That's empirical evidence of a tight labor market that's difficult to fake. Why else would salaries rise so quickly from such a high base? Even if employers lie (they do), the salary numbers from BLS are separate from that. Of course, there are always people who slip through the cracks unfortunately. But avoiding anecdotes and looking purely at the numbers, it's difficult to find a labor market in the USA that's tighter than the one for software engineers.

totony 5y ago
>Why else would salaries rise so quickly from such a high base? This can be explain by FAANG paying more, or people being more risk averse of having bad devs (ie hiring less, but paying more for more skilled).