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I'm about as anti War on Drugs as it's possible to get, but agree with those who consider that quote to be highly suspect. Ehrlichman supposedly said it in a p

I'm about as anti War on Drugs as it's possible to get, but agree with those who consider that quote to be highly suspect. Ehrlichman supposedly said it in a private interview with Baum, and there was no public record of it for 22 years after it was said, and 17 years after Ehrlichman died. It's very rare to hear such mea culpas from powerful, politically adept figures that cast their subjects in such a negative light. When they speak of their actions at all they tend to talk of them with plenty of room for interpretation and plausible deniability -- especially if they're lawyers, as Ehrlichman was. So as much as I believe that the War on Drugs was in fact in great part a racist war and one greatly based on suppression of dissent and the 60's and 70's counterculture, I very much doubt that Ehrlichman ever confessed.

howenterprisey 5y ago
Ok, what about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Ehrlichman#San_Francisco_has_just_gone_clear_over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Ehrlichman#San_Franc.... > NIXON: [...] Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  That quote doesn't really support the idea that "We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities." Instead, it supports the idea that Nixon thought drugs undermined society and stamping out drug use was valuable for its own sake.
  - howenterprisey 5y ago
    Yes. It's roughly as indefensible, though.
- dylan604 5y ago
  >"Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies." Is it really though? It seems like it would be the enemy of an uptight conservative society that only speaks of freedoms from the side of their mouth while limiting the freedoms to only those things which they agree.

howenterprisey 5y ago

Ok, what about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Ehrlichman#San_Francisco_has_just_gone_clear_over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Ehrlichman#San_Franc.... > NIXON: [...] Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
That quote doesn't really support the idea that "We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities." Instead, it supports the idea that Nixon thought drugs undermined society and stamping out drug use was valuable for its own sake.
- howenterprisey 5y ago
  Yes. It's roughly as indefensible, though.
dylan604 5y ago
>"Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies." Is it really though? It seems like it would be the enemy of an uptight conservative society that only speaks of freedoms from the side of their mouth while limiting the freedoms to only those things which they agree.