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You do realize you can vape flower/concentrate and eat edibles, right? >Marijuana is a gateway drug, I strongly believe this but open for changing my mind if t

You do realize you can vape flower/concentrate and eat edibles, right? >Marijuana is a gateway drug, I strongly believe this but open for changing my mind if there is data supporting otherwise. The burden of proof is on you to show this. What you strongly feel doesn't matter.

CodeWriter23 5y ago
The "gateway drug" assertion isn't an "all or nothing" issue. There's nuance to it. Ask a bunch of drug addicts if they used weed before [heroin|coke|speed|lsd|<insert-drug-of-choice>|aota], most of them will say yes. At least the ones I've been hanging out with in NA for the past 25+ years. Does that mean, smoke weed and you'll automatically end up using other drugs? No.
- whydoibother 5y ago
  >Ask a bunch of drug addicts if they used weed before [heroin|coke|speed|lsd|<insert-drug-of-choice>|aota], most of them will say yes. Correlation != causation. The idea of a 'gateway' drug is absurd. The simplest explanation is that people with mental illness or trauma will self medicate. So given that, it makes sense that the easiest to acquire/least scary drugs would be the first used. I bet even more people got started on alcohol as their first 'treatment'. That doesn't make it a gateway drug.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Here is one study that shows the discrepancy of how "outsiders" think about Marijuana as a gateway drug vs. "insiders": > Marijuana is often referred to as a gateway drug due to its placement in the stage-like progression of drug use (Kandel, 2002; Zimmer & Morgan, 1997). This study examines the gateway drug concept from an insiders' perspective. Qualitative, semi-structured interviews were conducted with 51 current and former users of marijuana. Data were collected between 2000 and 2002. Data on drug histories and perceptions about marijuana as a gateway drug were analyzed. While 80.3% (n = 41) of participants initiated their drug use experiences with alcohol or tobacco, one-third (n = 15) used an illicit drug other than marijuana prior to initiating marijuana. The adults in this study varied with regard to their perceptions about whether or not they thought marijuana was a gateway drug. Forty-five percent (n = 23) expressed viewpoints characterized as mixed or conflicting, 35% (n = 18) did not support the idea that marijuana was a gateway drug, and 19.6% (n = 10) strongly supported the notion. https://www.jstor.org/stable/humjsocrel.35.5 https://www.jstor.org/stable/humjsocrel.35.5
systemvoltage 5y ago
That's true, I think Vaping is still not that healthy for your lungs. Fair enough about burden of proof. I found one that supports and one that opposes the argument: Kind of supporting, it says it is complex to evaluate the gateway hypothesis: https://doi.org/10.1080/09595230500126698 https://doi.org/10.1080/09595230500126698 Opposing: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-021-09464-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-021-09464-z

CodeWriter23 5y ago

The "gateway drug" assertion isn't an "all or nothing" issue. There's nuance to it. Ask a bunch of drug addicts if they used weed before [heroin|coke|speed|lsd|<insert-drug-of-choice>|aota], most of them will say yes. At least the ones I've been hanging out with in NA for the past 25+ years. Does that mean, smoke weed and you'll automatically end up using other drugs? No.

whydoibother 5y ago
>Ask a bunch of drug addicts if they used weed before [heroin|coke|speed|lsd|<insert-drug-of-choice>|aota], most of them will say yes. Correlation != causation. The idea of a 'gateway' drug is absurd. The simplest explanation is that people with mental illness or trauma will self medicate. So given that, it makes sense that the easiest to acquire/least scary drugs would be the first used. I bet even more people got started on alcohol as their first 'treatment'. That doesn't make it a gateway drug.
systemvoltage 5y ago
Here is one study that shows the discrepancy of how "outsiders" think about Marijuana as a gateway drug vs. "insiders": > Marijuana is often referred to as a gateway drug due to its placement in the stage-like progression of drug use (Kandel, 2002; Zimmer & Morgan, 1997). This study examines the gateway drug concept from an insiders' perspective. Qualitative, semi-structured interviews were conducted with 51 current and former users of marijuana. Data were collected between 2000 and 2002. Data on drug histories and perceptions about marijuana as a gateway drug were analyzed. While 80.3% (n = 41) of participants initiated their drug use experiences with alcohol or tobacco, one-third (n = 15) used an illicit drug other than marijuana prior to initiating marijuana. The adults in this study varied with regard to their perceptions about whether or not they thought marijuana was a gateway drug. Forty-five percent (n = 23) expressed viewpoints characterized as mixed or conflicting, 35% (n = 18) did not support the idea that marijuana was a gateway drug, and 19.6% (n = 10) strongly supported the notion. https://www.jstor.org/stable/humjsocrel.35.5 https://www.jstor.org/stable/humjsocrel.35.5

systemvoltage 5y ago

That's true, I think Vaping is still not that healthy for your lungs. Fair enough about burden of proof. I found one that supports and one that opposes the argument: Kind of supporting, it says it is complex to evaluate the gateway hypothesis: https://doi.org/10.1080/09595230500126698 https://doi.org/10.1080/09595230500126698 Opposing: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-021-09464-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-021-09464-z