3 ms·

Does SYOISP overlap (tech-wise) with the efforts of those at https://www.meshcenter.org/ https://www.meshcenter.org/ who are really trailblazing it in NYC and B

Does SYOISP overlap (tech-wise) with the efforts of those at https://www.meshcenter.org/ https://www.meshcenter.org/ who are really trailblazing it in NYC and Baltimore? Also, is SYOISP closer to what https://starry.com/ https://starry.com/ has deployed? Thanks.

grahamburger 5y ago
Related in both cases. SYOISP describes what I, as a somewhat opinionated author, believe to be the absolute minimum amount of information required to build a business that can be called an ISP. To the extent that the companies involved in meshcenter.org and also Starry are ISPs, there is definitely overlap.
- ignoramous 5y ago
  > SYOISP describes what I, as a somewhat opinionated author, believe to be the absolute minimum amount of information required to build a business that can be called an ISP. Thanks. Then, what'd you say are key differences between meshcenter.org and syoisp? Curious because meshcenter goes for maintainability and affordability too, from what I gather. Also, has Facebook's foray into the space with https://telecominfraproject.com https://telecominfraproject.com (and Google's too with https://opennetworking.org/ https://opennetworking.org/) change the landscape? They're going after 4G/5G like deployments, which is in sharp contrast with what starry and meshcenter are doing?
  - grahamburger 5y ago
    > Then, what'd you say are key differences between meshcenter.org and syoisp? No big differences, everything is applicable to both. In practice 'Mesh' has kind of become associated with 'non-profit, volunteer staff,' and SYOISP makes the implicit assumption of a for-profit entity. > Also, has Facebook's foray into the space with https://telecominfraproject.com https://telecominfraproject.com (and Google's too with https://opennetworking.org/ https://opennetworking.org/) change the landscape? They're going after 4G/5G like deployments, which is in sharp contrast with what starry and meshcenter are doing? Unsure yet what these efforts (and I'll add Microsoft's Airband) will amount too. I will say that I don't really see them tackling the actual hard parts of improving connectivity, which is primarily the actual building of physical infrastructure. I mean, other than Google obviously doing so with Google Fiber. Software can only get you so far in this effort, which is I think a lot of the reason that the incumbent providers have maintained such a stronghold over modern tech companies.
    - slut 5y ago
      I'm working on connectivity stuff at Facebook. Facebook is doing quite a bit more than just 4g/5g like deployments but the focus is primarily outside the US. We do have some public tools that I think are especially relevant to your effort: https://www.facebook.com/isptoolbox https://www.facebook.com/isptoolbox it's actively being worked on and there are many unreleased features in development but would be happy for any feedback too. Hope it's helpful.
      - ignoramous 5y ago
        Are there any research papers or publications (like blogs) detailing Facebook's efforts in this space?
ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago
>Also, is SYOISP closer to what https://starry.com/ https://starry.com/ has deployed? Probably not: >We designed every piece of hardware ourselves to ensure it works seamlessly to beam internet from the tops of towers to building receivers and right into your home without a hitch.
- grahamburger 5y ago
  (author here) It's similar in architecture, if not in the actual hardware being deployed. FWIW my personal opinion (informed by personal experience) is that designing your own equipment is a huge distraction with little benefit. We'll see how it works out for Starry. As I understand Starry has moved to focus largely on apartments buildings and in-home WiFi (rather than residential Internet service to single-family homes.)

grahamburger 5y ago

Related in both cases. SYOISP describes what I, as a somewhat opinionated author, believe to be the absolute minimum amount of information required to build a business that can be called an ISP. To the extent that the companies involved in meshcenter.org and also Starry are ISPs, there is definitely overlap.

ignoramous 5y ago
> SYOISP describes what I, as a somewhat opinionated author, believe to be the absolute minimum amount of information required to build a business that can be called an ISP. Thanks. Then, what'd you say are key differences between meshcenter.org and syoisp? Curious because meshcenter goes for maintainability and affordability too, from what I gather. Also, has Facebook's foray into the space with https://telecominfraproject.com https://telecominfraproject.com (and Google's too with https://opennetworking.org/ https://opennetworking.org/) change the landscape? They're going after 4G/5G like deployments, which is in sharp contrast with what starry and meshcenter are doing?
- grahamburger 5y ago
  > Then, what'd you say are key differences between meshcenter.org and syoisp? No big differences, everything is applicable to both. In practice 'Mesh' has kind of become associated with 'non-profit, volunteer staff,' and SYOISP makes the implicit assumption of a for-profit entity. > Also, has Facebook's foray into the space with https://telecominfraproject.com https://telecominfraproject.com (and Google's too with https://opennetworking.org/ https://opennetworking.org/) change the landscape? They're going after 4G/5G like deployments, which is in sharp contrast with what starry and meshcenter are doing? Unsure yet what these efforts (and I'll add Microsoft's Airband) will amount too. I will say that I don't really see them tackling the actual hard parts of improving connectivity, which is primarily the actual building of physical infrastructure. I mean, other than Google obviously doing so with Google Fiber. Software can only get you so far in this effort, which is I think a lot of the reason that the incumbent providers have maintained such a stronghold over modern tech companies.
  - slut 5y ago
    I'm working on connectivity stuff at Facebook. Facebook is doing quite a bit more than just 4g/5g like deployments but the focus is primarily outside the US. We do have some public tools that I think are especially relevant to your effort: https://www.facebook.com/isptoolbox https://www.facebook.com/isptoolbox it's actively being worked on and there are many unreleased features in development but would be happy for any feedback too. Hope it's helpful.
    - ignoramous 5y ago
      Are there any research papers or publications (like blogs) detailing Facebook's efforts in this space?

ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago

>Also, is SYOISP closer to what https://starry.com/ https://starry.com/ has deployed? Probably not: >We designed every piece of hardware ourselves to ensure it works seamlessly to beam internet from the tops of towers to building receivers and right into your home without a hitch.

grahamburger 5y ago
(author here) It's similar in architecture, if not in the actual hardware being deployed. FWIW my personal opinion (informed by personal experience) is that designing your own equipment is a huge distraction with little benefit. We'll see how it works out for Starry. As I understand Starry has moved to focus largely on apartments buildings and in-home WiFi (rather than residential Internet service to single-family homes.)