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If you accept ads, you accept the concept that some parts of your screen will be devoted to things you have not chosen yourself, so what exactly is the issue he

If you accept ads, you accept the concept that some parts of your screen will be devoted to things you have not chosen yourself, so what exactly is the issue here? It probably makes sense for tiktok to advertise to people searching for Spotify, either they feel that is more efficient that placing ad when you search for "tiktok" (because you'll get tiktok in the list anyway), or they're just advertising everywhere. Either way, it's not "deceptive". Nobody will mistake the tiktok card for Spotify.

yunohn 5y ago
> If you accept ads Who accepted ads? Apple is notoriously against the ads ecosystem. Search in an AppStore should not be an ad platform.
- Grustaf 5y ago
  I hate ads, but if we’re discussing the merits of a specific ad platform we sort of need to accept ads in general. Otherwise the discussion is pretty meaningless. Presumably OP means that Apple’s search ads are worse than others.
  - yunohn 5y ago
    We’re not discussing an ad platform? The AppStore is /the/ App platform for iOS. Apple decided to monetize it further with ads, despite being the most profitable App platform globally.
    - Grustaf 5y ago
      Whatever you want to call it, we are discussing a specific usage of ads, that OP think is bad and deceptive. For this discussion to be meaningful, you need to at least accept that ads exist, for the sake of argument.
      - yunohn 5y ago
        This is the only kind of ads that Apple has in their entire ecosystem. The only application appears to be for app competitors to buy ad space. I’m not sure why you make this out to be a weird exceptional case?
        Grustaf 5y ago
        I'm not saying it's a weird exceptional case. I'm saying it's pretty normal and expected that you are able to buy ads when people search for competitors, why shouldn't you? I'd say that's the _least_ deceptive ad you could possibly buy. If you buy ads for the search "best video app" then some people might think that the tiktok ad was an organic result. But if you buy an ad for the word "Spotify" then nobody will be "deceived". I don't think ads should be allowed at all, in any context, in any medium, but if they are, then I don't see any reason to make competitor names off-limit.
        yunohn 5y ago
        I’m not sure why you’re arguing this particular way, but I guess there’s not much left for me to say. You can believe what you want, but I don’t think most people would agree with this line of reasoning.
mustacheemperor 5y ago
>It probably makes sense for tiktok to advertise to people searching for Spotify It absolutely makes sense to me, OP is describing their experience installing new apps on a new phone. Someone searching up Spotify because they know they want it will be reminded "hey, lots of people are using TikTok on their phones too" or "hey, you had TikTok on your last device, hit that button to install it after Spotify." Especially since you can just hit the install button from the search pane.
- throwaddzuzxd 5y ago
  Don't play stupid, the ad itself is not the issue I'm mentioning here. The issue is that the ad should both be displayed AFTER my search result, AND clearly flagged as an ad in the same way the Play Store does it. It could also be a bit less prominent than the search results. Is the Apple community always this way? I came to love Apple products but the community is a piece of work, it's like nothing can be criticized and everything is perfect as it is.
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    There's no "Apple community", and if there is I'm not part of it. I just don't think the order (or buying your competitors ad word) is an issue. If anything it would be more confusing to place an ad among the organic results. Plus Google has made people expect a few paid results above the real results. I do agree that they should clearly mark it as an ad, though, that's very important. And strange that they don't, I don't think they'd earn much less that way. And as I said, I think ads in general are a nuisance and my position is that they shouldn't be allowed anywhere. If the official raison d'être of the market economy is that the better products will win out, allowing ads distorts that. Ads lead to a situation where the company with the best marketing team wins. End of rant. And don't even get me started on negative externalities.

yunohn 5y ago

> If you accept ads Who accepted ads? Apple is notoriously against the ads ecosystem. Search in an AppStore should not be an ad platform.

Grustaf 5y ago
I hate ads, but if we’re discussing the merits of a specific ad platform we sort of need to accept ads in general. Otherwise the discussion is pretty meaningless. Presumably OP means that Apple’s search ads are worse than others.
- yunohn 5y ago
  We’re not discussing an ad platform? The AppStore is /the/ App platform for iOS. Apple decided to monetize it further with ads, despite being the most profitable App platform globally.
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    Whatever you want to call it, we are discussing a specific usage of ads, that OP think is bad and deceptive. For this discussion to be meaningful, you need to at least accept that ads exist, for the sake of argument.
    - yunohn 5y ago
      This is the only kind of ads that Apple has in their entire ecosystem. The only application appears to be for app competitors to buy ad space. I’m not sure why you make this out to be a weird exceptional case?
      - Grustaf 5y ago
        I'm not saying it's a weird exceptional case. I'm saying it's pretty normal and expected that you are able to buy ads when people search for competitors, why shouldn't you? I'd say that's the _least_ deceptive ad you could possibly buy. If you buy ads for the search "best video app" then some people might think that the tiktok ad was an organic result. But if you buy an ad for the word "Spotify" then nobody will be "deceived". I don't think ads should be allowed at all, in any context, in any medium, but if they are, then I don't see any reason to make competitor names off-limit.
        yunohn 5y ago
        I’m not sure why you’re arguing this particular way, but I guess there’s not much left for me to say. You can believe what you want, but I don’t think most people would agree with this line of reasoning.

mustacheemperor 5y ago

>It probably makes sense for tiktok to advertise to people searching for Spotify It absolutely makes sense to me, OP is describing their experience installing new apps on a new phone. Someone searching up Spotify because they know they want it will be reminded "hey, lots of people are using TikTok on their phones too" or "hey, you had TikTok on your last device, hit that button to install it after Spotify." Especially since you can just hit the install button from the search pane.

throwaddzuzxd 5y ago
Don't play stupid, the ad itself is not the issue I'm mentioning here. The issue is that the ad should both be displayed AFTER my search result, AND clearly flagged as an ad in the same way the Play Store does it. It could also be a bit less prominent than the search results. Is the Apple community always this way? I came to love Apple products but the community is a piece of work, it's like nothing can be criticized and everything is perfect as it is.
- Grustaf 5y ago
  There's no "Apple community", and if there is I'm not part of it. I just don't think the order (or buying your competitors ad word) is an issue. If anything it would be more confusing to place an ad among the organic results. Plus Google has made people expect a few paid results above the real results. I do agree that they should clearly mark it as an ad, though, that's very important. And strange that they don't, I don't think they'd earn much less that way. And as I said, I think ads in general are a nuisance and my position is that they shouldn't be allowed anywhere. If the official raison d'être of the market economy is that the better products will win out, allowing ads distorts that. Ads lead to a situation where the company with the best marketing team wins. End of rant. And don't even get me started on negative externalities.