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Come up north to Michigan where the air is crisp. Ohio is the worst. People need to vote with their ballot, wallet, but also with where they choose to take res

Come up north to Michigan where the air is crisp. Ohio is the worst. People need to vote with their ballot, wallet, but also with where they choose to take residence.

jschwartzi 5y ago
A lot of people can’t even afford to put down a security deposit on a new rental. Moving is completely out of reach for them.
- whalesalad 5y ago
  I really dislike this rhetoric. You are not wrong but at the same time I think too many groups hold fast to this notion that people are weak and powerless and need government to take care of them. So if you can’t move, you’re just gonna stay for the rest of your life in a state you hate? No way, live free or die. It might take longer but it can be done.
- jrsj 5y ago
  I don’t think that’s entirely realistic, I was able to do it when I worked at McDonald’s and they actually pay better here relative to rents than they did at the time. There a certainly people in that situation but it’s a relatively small %.
azemetre 5y ago
When you tell people to "vote with their wallet" it means that money equates to will/democracy and there is a far far far larger "warchest" of dollars from Comcast, Verizon, and ATT. Does this mean Comcast is the will of the people since they have the ability to spend more? I'd sincerely hope not. I know what you meant by your comment, but the "with wallet" part has been irking me lately because there is substantial corporate interests that has more money than us but they don't have more votes than us (not yet at least).
- whalesalad 5y ago
  I was trying to illustrate that there are different ways to 'vote' for what you want in the world. At the end of the day you are electing your officials in Ohio and they are the ones helping to make these things happen. tl;dr - reward good behavior and specifically do not reward bad behavior.
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- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  In purely practical terms, upsetting a small number of constituents is not nearly as risky as upsetting a corporation such as Comcast, Verizon, and ATT. I say small number because the average Ohioan isn’t even going to realize this is happening. And, the most a citizen can do to voice their displeasure and hold the politicians accountable is casting a single vote to the opposition. And that’s assuming this is a dealbreaker that would cause someone to cross sides. Meanwhile these big companies can spend wildly on political opponents, hit pieces, or withhold donation money.
jrsj 5y ago
I’m considering moving from Ohio but mainly because we get taxed to shit here (12th highest overall in the nation) and yet don’t seem to have anything to show for it. From my perspective the only benefit I would theoretically get from being in a red state would be saving $ on taxes, and I don’t even get that here. All that being said I apologize but I don’t see much appeal to Michigan lol
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- EvanAnderson 5y ago
  Michigan has nice lakes and forests, but the economic opportunities in the most beautiful parts of the state (the northern lower peninsula and the upper peninsula) seem very limited. For the kind of work I do living there wouldn't work. If I were willing to move to a "remote work"-only lifestyle it might be possible, but that's what I want. My family visits Michigan almost every summer, gets wistful thinking about how wonderful it would be to live in some of these beautiful and wild places, then runs the numbers and discovers it wouldn't be economically feasible.

Come up north to Michigan where the air is crisp. Ohio is the worst. People need to vote with their ballot, wallet, but also with where they choose to take residence.

jschwartzi 5y ago

A lot of people can’t even afford to put down a security deposit on a new rental. Moving is completely out of reach for them.

whalesalad 5y ago
I really dislike this rhetoric. You are not wrong but at the same time I think too many groups hold fast to this notion that people are weak and powerless and need government to take care of them. So if you can’t move, you’re just gonna stay for the rest of your life in a state you hate? No way, live free or die. It might take longer but it can be done.
jrsj 5y ago
I don’t think that’s entirely realistic, I was able to do it when I worked at McDonald’s and they actually pay better here relative to rents than they did at the time. There a certainly people in that situation but it’s a relatively small %.

azemetre 5y ago

When you tell people to "vote with their wallet" it means that money equates to will/democracy and there is a far far far larger "warchest" of dollars from Comcast, Verizon, and ATT. Does this mean Comcast is the will of the people since they have the ability to spend more? I'd sincerely hope not. I know what you meant by your comment, but the "with wallet" part has been irking me lately because there is substantial corporate interests that has more money than us but they don't have more votes than us (not yet at least).

whalesalad 5y ago
I was trying to illustrate that there are different ways to 'vote' for what you want in the world. At the end of the day you are electing your officials in Ohio and they are the ones helping to make these things happen. tl;dr - reward good behavior and specifically do not reward bad behavior.
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BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
In purely practical terms, upsetting a small number of constituents is not nearly as risky as upsetting a corporation such as Comcast, Verizon, and ATT. I say small number because the average Ohioan isn’t even going to realize this is happening. And, the most a citizen can do to voice their displeasure and hold the politicians accountable is casting a single vote to the opposition. And that’s assuming this is a dealbreaker that would cause someone to cross sides. Meanwhile these big companies can spend wildly on political opponents, hit pieces, or withhold donation money.

jrsj 5y ago

I’m considering moving from Ohio but mainly because we get taxed to shit here (12th highest overall in the nation) and yet don’t seem to have anything to show for it. From my perspective the only benefit I would theoretically get from being in a red state would be saving $ on taxes, and I don’t even get that here. All that being said I apologize but I don’t see much appeal to Michigan lol

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EvanAnderson 5y ago
Michigan has nice lakes and forests, but the economic opportunities in the most beautiful parts of the state (the northern lower peninsula and the upper peninsula) seem very limited. For the kind of work I do living there wouldn't work. If I were willing to move to a "remote work"-only lifestyle it might be possible, but that's what I want. My family visits Michigan almost every summer, gets wistful thinking about how wonderful it would be to live in some of these beautiful and wild places, then runs the numbers and discovers it wouldn't be economically feasible.