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I mean if dreaming is any indication, the mind is actually pretty good at “simulating all the particles, light, and physics”, with of course some “rendering iss

by LocalH 5y ago

I mean if dreaming is any indication, the mind is actually pretty good at “simulating all the particles, light, and physics”, with of course some “rendering issues”

hutzlibu 5y ago
And some serious consistency issues. Meaning no solid base physic model.
ajuc 5y ago
It simulates the sensations not the universe. It's a mock not a simulation.
- LocalH 5y ago
  I mean, from the perspective of the internal experience, that’s kind of moot anyway. Reality is only as real as it feels to us inside
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    The definition of reality in Wikipedia is exactly opposite, and specifically distinguishes reality from one's imagination.
s1artibartfast 5y ago
Interestingly, the same is true of waking life. Our perception is only loosely representative model of the world we operate in. We see, hear, and feel a tiny fraction of our local environment, and most of what we perceive is filled in by our imagination, and/or highly post processed.
- LocalH 5y ago
  Indeed it is. Even temporally
- phkahler 5y ago
  >> Interestingly, the same is true of waking life. The notion that most of our experience is projection is really fascinating to me. Or rather it's projection combined with inputs at various levels of abstraction, and our attention is diverted to where these two differ. A lot of empirical evidence suggests this is the case. A deep dive in psychotherapy can help one to see this up close. The notion that it applies to visual input seems crazy, but you can also do fun experiments with the "blind spot" in your vision that are pretty convincing.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I love to explore the concept of color as an example. Color represents regions of a continuous EM spectrum. "Green" represents a photon between 495-570nm, but the concept of only exists within the human mind. The color I call green might be the what someone else calls red if we ever had a brain to brain interface.
  - IIAOPSW 5y ago
    You know what else lets you explore it in detail? LSD. You'll see exactly how abstraction and pattern extrapolation is superimposed over reality. It likely isn't a coincidence that what you see is like a JPEG artifact but crystals instead of squares.
gls2ro 5y ago
I think about dreaming more like a movie stage where there is a limited space but within that limited space one can be tricked into seeing an entire Star Trek Universe. So I think the mind is pretty good at making us think it simulates all the particles and light and physics.

by LocalH 5y ago

I mean if dreaming is any indication, the mind is actually pretty good at “simulating all the particles, light, and physics”, with of course some “rendering issues”

hutzlibu 5y ago

And some serious consistency issues. Meaning no solid base physic model.

ajuc 5y ago

It simulates the sensations not the universe. It's a mock not a simulation.

LocalH 5y ago
I mean, from the perspective of the internal experience, that’s kind of moot anyway. Reality is only as real as it feels to us inside
- lostmsu 5y ago
  The definition of reality in Wikipedia is exactly opposite, and specifically distinguishes reality from one's imagination.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

Interestingly, the same is true of waking life. Our perception is only loosely representative model of the world we operate in. We see, hear, and feel a tiny fraction of our local environment, and most of what we perceive is filled in by our imagination, and/or highly post processed.

LocalH 5y ago
Indeed it is. Even temporally
phkahler 5y ago
>> Interestingly, the same is true of waking life. The notion that most of our experience is projection is really fascinating to me. Or rather it's projection combined with inputs at various levels of abstraction, and our attention is diverted to where these two differ. A lot of empirical evidence suggests this is the case. A deep dive in psychotherapy can help one to see this up close. The notion that it applies to visual input seems crazy, but you can also do fun experiments with the "blind spot" in your vision that are pretty convincing.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I love to explore the concept of color as an example. Color represents regions of a continuous EM spectrum. "Green" represents a photon between 495-570nm, but the concept of only exists within the human mind. The color I call green might be the what someone else calls red if we ever had a brain to brain interface.
- IIAOPSW 5y ago
  You know what else lets you explore it in detail? LSD. You'll see exactly how abstraction and pattern extrapolation is superimposed over reality. It likely isn't a coincidence that what you see is like a JPEG artifact but crystals instead of squares.

gls2ro 5y ago

I think about dreaming more like a movie stage where there is a limited space but within that limited space one can be tricked into seeing an entire Star Trek Universe. So I think the mind is pretty good at making us think it simulates all the particles and light and physics.