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Note to self - Brace for downvotes. Anyways only 6 is left. Universe is open ended. Knowledge is open ended. Void is open ended. Math is open ended. Physics is

Note to self - Brace for downvotes. Anyways only 6 is left. Universe is open ended. Knowledge is open ended. Void is open ended. Math is open ended. Physics is open ended. Atomic physics is open ended. It is not just with the universe its a common pattern. (side note- Some smart lad will reply back your brain is open ended) and few others will come with simulation theory. Which is also true. Coming to the real question, whats the point of knowing all these ? These are all the moves by an intellect addict. If these arent' true then what is ? Have fun with friends, take care of family. That's all. These knowledge would't pay your bills, well off course, you can create a gimmic tech toy and get some business running and get someone employed. Just educate yourself that will pay for your bread and butter. In other words, ones who escape from reality (friends and families), are the ones who experience reality ticking. :D Atleast a good conclusion.

slver 5y ago
I think a crucial important first step in a discussion of the type "is X a Y or a Z" is that we have very clear definition of X, Y and Z. Unfortunately the article isn't very clear about any of this, so then the discussion becomes a discussion about definitions. Which is useless. There's no objective definition of a term. Terms are artificial symbols designed to mean whatever we want them to mean. And they're often incredibly overloaded, or underspecified. Also coming to a thread about the nature of reality and talking about how there's no point in discussing the nature of reality is a contradiction of your own advice.
hutzlibu 5y ago
If how to pay your bills is everything you want to know about the universe, then have fun with it. But to many people, including friends and family - the question of the meaning of it all is a frequent and important one. Influencing directly how we live. The more we know about the universe, the better we can answer. We have gathered very strong indications, negating the old "answer" that life is a bit older than 6000 years, meaning also an effective powerloss for those people in charge, who made society run by the literal guidance of an old myth book.
- 52-6F-62 5y ago
  Going on a tangent, but to be fair I don't think the old answer was ever that the Earth/reality/the universe/all/etc is only 6000 years old. Isn't that more of a modern misinterpretation of ancient mystical children's stories? You know, saving the pearls from the swine, so to speak? The powerful have often been caught up in controversies (usually due to misunderstandings) around secret societies and other clubs that tend to carry those philosophical and mystical traditions forward which tend to reject the myth books as anything remotely literal. Except for (forgive my glossing over this part) more mundane fundamentalist uprisings throughout history, a lot of leadership has tended to associate as if they're above the literal tellings. If you follow threads of mysticism in any form back through human history, it seems the overarching theory has remained pretty similar with the middling details a little murky and swapped around. Hell, some of the concepts strike me as uncannily close to what we continue to unravel and discover with physical sciences.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    Huh? There are still freaks around, who take the bible literal and some are even in position of power. They used to control the western welt, until new ideas negated their source of power: offering people answers. But people saw other ideas (science) made more sense.
    - 52-6F-62 5y ago
      Those are the mundane fundamentalists I noted. They're not the sole bearers of power throughout history. Probably the minority, since they're usually responsible for reductions in their own power, and the power of the people they rule. Not even Christian philosophy began with Constantine. edit: My comments may sound muddier than I thought. I'm saying that human cosmological theory and understanding did not go from Holy Bible -> Science.
      - hutzlibu 5y ago
        No, before we had the godkings of egypt, babylon, .. I am not a historian, but from what I know the base of power of many if not most states(empires) was based on religious beliefs (and soldiers enforcing it). From my layman understanding, the most successful states were the ones practicing the most tolerance. But then usually some egomaniac wanted to maintain his power and went into theocracy, where the priests legitimated his power. And then there maybe was stability for a time, but seldom any progress.
egfx 5y ago
Intellect addiction is an interesting way to put it. Because the brain has so much capacity you have 1 of 2 options. Use your brain to explain nature or disconnect and absorb and have nature connect with you automatically. I’d argue you’re putting yourself into connection with the universe when you don’t put your mind to it (that much).

slver 5y ago

I think a crucial important first step in a discussion of the type "is X a Y or a Z" is that we have very clear definition of X, Y and Z. Unfortunately the article isn't very clear about any of this, so then the discussion becomes a discussion about definitions. Which is useless. There's no objective definition of a term. Terms are artificial symbols designed to mean whatever we want them to mean. And they're often incredibly overloaded, or underspecified. Also coming to a thread about the nature of reality and talking about how there's no point in discussing the nature of reality is a contradiction of your own advice.

hutzlibu 5y ago

If how to pay your bills is everything you want to know about the universe, then have fun with it. But to many people, including friends and family - the question of the meaning of it all is a frequent and important one. Influencing directly how we live. The more we know about the universe, the better we can answer. We have gathered very strong indications, negating the old "answer" that life is a bit older than 6000 years, meaning also an effective powerloss for those people in charge, who made society run by the literal guidance of an old myth book.

52-6F-62 5y ago
Going on a tangent, but to be fair I don't think the old answer was ever that the Earth/reality/the universe/all/etc is only 6000 years old. Isn't that more of a modern misinterpretation of ancient mystical children's stories? You know, saving the pearls from the swine, so to speak? The powerful have often been caught up in controversies (usually due to misunderstandings) around secret societies and other clubs that tend to carry those philosophical and mystical traditions forward which tend to reject the myth books as anything remotely literal. Except for (forgive my glossing over this part) more mundane fundamentalist uprisings throughout history, a lot of leadership has tended to associate as if they're above the literal tellings. If you follow threads of mysticism in any form back through human history, it seems the overarching theory has remained pretty similar with the middling details a little murky and swapped around. Hell, some of the concepts strike me as uncannily close to what we continue to unravel and discover with physical sciences.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  Huh? There are still freaks around, who take the bible literal and some are even in position of power. They used to control the western welt, until new ideas negated their source of power: offering people answers. But people saw other ideas (science) made more sense.
  - 52-6F-62 5y ago
    Those are the mundane fundamentalists I noted. They're not the sole bearers of power throughout history. Probably the minority, since they're usually responsible for reductions in their own power, and the power of the people they rule. Not even Christian philosophy began with Constantine. edit: My comments may sound muddier than I thought. I'm saying that human cosmological theory and understanding did not go from Holy Bible -> Science.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      No, before we had the godkings of egypt, babylon, .. I am not a historian, but from what I know the base of power of many if not most states(empires) was based on religious beliefs (and soldiers enforcing it). From my layman understanding, the most successful states were the ones practicing the most tolerance. But then usually some egomaniac wanted to maintain his power and went into theocracy, where the priests legitimated his power. And then there maybe was stability for a time, but seldom any progress.

egfx 5y ago

Intellect addiction is an interesting way to put it. Because the brain has so much capacity you have 1 of 2 options. Use your brain to explain nature or disconnect and absorb and have nature connect with you automatically. I’d argue you’re putting yourself into connection with the universe when you don’t put your mind to it (that much).