> even the best parents can have horrible kids I agree completely, but my statement doesn't contradict yours. I said: bad parent implies bad child. You say: g

> even the best parents can have horrible kids I agree completely, but my statement doesn't contradict yours. I said: bad parent implies bad child. You say: good parent does not imply good child. These statements do not contradict each other. Having that said, my initial statement is still flawed, as there are very nice children that have pretty awful parents. Probably because of reasons you outlined (peer group etc.)