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Because it's a programming language we're talking about, not a political party.

by vazyla 5y ago

cdsmith 5y ago
As the author of the article, I hope it's clear that we're talking about the community that has formed around the programming language. Racial diversity isn't, to the best of my knowledge, mentioned at all in the Haskell Report or the source code to the GHC compiler. But when I'm talking about the community, that is all about the people in that community. Some of the people in that community have very different backgrounds from myself, and I think that's a valuable thing to celebrate and acknowledge. That said, it wasn't the point of the article. It's fast becoming the point of this comment thread, though, which is unfortunate.
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- nanna 5y ago
  The effect, if not the point, of the HN posts here decrying diversity (heavens forbid!) is to force a discussion about the value of racial diversity and racial justice. To put them under question, even if the argument itself is lost. This isn't about your post, it's about far-right trolls trying to force their culture war discourse onto this forum. A good thing their posts have been flagged.
kqr 5y ago
I fall to see how that is an answer to my question. What, specifically, made you think everything is about racial diversity? I would very much like for you to explain to me how everything you read is about racial diversity, when so little of what I read seems to be.
nanna 5y ago
> Because it's a programming language we're talking about, not a political party. Categorically wrong. This is a programming language community that we're talking about. Haskell hasn't dropped out of thin air. It's the output of a mostly-voluntary community effort. To strengthen the community by making it open to people who have different backgrounds is to strengthen the language. The real question is why do you only see racial diversity as a problem.
- vazyla 5y ago
  My mistake, programming language it is. But the question is the same : why every programming language community needs to be about racial diversity?
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  > The real question is why do you only see racial diversity as a problem. My question to you would be why did you interpret that person's comment that way? Rejecting the hyper-focus on racial diversity which is common in some parts of progressive Western culture is not at all the same as seeing racial diversity as a problem. I agree that in a broad sense a community is strengthened by diverse membership, but I don't agree that the White Guilt hinted at in the original article is constructive. I think you've constructed a straw-man to argue against here, and that's not at a very nice thing to do.

Because it's a programming language we're talking about, not a political party.

by vazyla 5y ago

Because it's a programming language we're talking about, not a political party.

As the author of the article, I hope it's clear that we're talking about the community that has formed around the programming language. Racial diversity isn't, to the best of my knowledge, mentioned at all in the Haskell Report or the source code to the GHC compiler. But when I'm talking about the community, that is all about the people in that community. Some of the people in that community have very different backgrounds from myself, and I think that's a valuable thing to celebrate and acknowledge. That said, it wasn't the point of the article. It's fast becoming the point of this comment thread, though, which is unfortunate.

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nanna 5y ago
The effect, if not the point, of the HN posts here decrying diversity (heavens forbid!) is to force a discussion about the value of racial diversity and racial justice. To put them under question, even if the argument itself is lost. This isn't about your post, it's about far-right trolls trying to force their culture war discourse onto this forum. A good thing their posts have been flagged.

kqr 5y ago

I fall to see how that is an answer to my question. What, specifically, made you think everything is about racial diversity? I would very much like for you to explain to me how everything you read is about racial diversity, when so little of what I read seems to be.

nanna 5y ago

> Because it's a programming language we're talking about, not a political party. Categorically wrong. This is a programming language community that we're talking about. Haskell hasn't dropped out of thin air. It's the output of a mostly-voluntary community effort. To strengthen the community by making it open to people who have different backgrounds is to strengthen the language. The real question is why do you only see racial diversity as a problem.

vazyla 5y ago
My mistake, programming language it is. But the question is the same : why every programming language community needs to be about racial diversity?
yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
> The real question is why do you only see racial diversity as a problem. My question to you would be why did you interpret that person's comment that way? Rejecting the hyper-focus on racial diversity which is common in some parts of progressive Western culture is not at all the same as seeing racial diversity as a problem. I agree that in a broad sense a community is strengthened by diverse membership, but I don't agree that the White Guilt hinted at in the original article is constructive. I think you've constructed a straw-man to argue against here, and that's not at a very nice thing to do.