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> How is it the US trusts Russia but not China in this regard? The cold war with the one is over and won, and the cold war with the other one is just now spinn

> How is it the US trusts Russia but not China in this regard? The cold war with the one is over and won, and the cold war with the other one is just now spinning up

dragonelite 5y ago
The spinning up happened during Obama pivot to Asia, we are now full blown in a cold war. Lets hope it stays a cold war.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  >we are now full blown in a cold war. American FDI in China even under the last administration went up, and both the EU and the US were busy signing free trade deals with China. I don't remember Apple building computers in the Soviet Union. Follow the money, not the news headlines. There's going to be no second cold war because there is no ideological competition and China is deeply integrated in just about every value chain on the planet.
  - dragonelite 5y ago
    The second cold war has been going on for almost a decade, it just become more significant with Trump escalating. But the Washington foreign policy think tanks have been talking about it for almost a decade. Its all viewable on their YouTube channels.
vsareto 5y ago
I'm starting to think that one can predict a cold war roughly as accurately as an economic bubble bursting
- FredPret 5y ago
  This is only the second one ever, if you go by the modern conception of the term
simion314 5y ago
>the cold war with the other one is just now spinning up This can't be the correct explanation since the China exclusion is not recent. Is anyone still investigating who started that Bloomberg fake news that kick-started the entire 5G/Huawei conspiracy ? I mean there was no proof that anything weird is happening so I am still wondering if there was a government Agency or some rich dudes that started this.
- sslayer 5y ago
  The cold war with China started 25 years ago.
  - FredPret 5y ago
    What would you say was the event that kicked it off?
  - vimy 5y ago
    No, until a couple years ago there was the expectation (hope?) China would become more liberal and closer to the West. A lot of economic concessions were made with that expectation in mind. Turns out we were wrong.
- publicola1990 5y ago
  US passed a Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880s.
publicola1990 5y ago
More than the Cold War the US-China situation is looking more like the US-Japan relationship before World War 2.
eunos 5y ago
Back then the risks of not integrating Russia were massive. Their scientists could move to China, Iran, or even North Korea. US would like to avoid that.

> How is it the US trusts Russia but not China in this regard? The cold war with the one is over and won, and the cold war with the other one is just now spinning up

dragonelite 5y ago

The spinning up happened during Obama pivot to Asia, we are now full blown in a cold war. Lets hope it stays a cold war.

Barrin92 5y ago
>we are now full blown in a cold war. American FDI in China even under the last administration went up, and both the EU and the US were busy signing free trade deals with China. I don't remember Apple building computers in the Soviet Union. Follow the money, not the news headlines. There's going to be no second cold war because there is no ideological competition and China is deeply integrated in just about every value chain on the planet.
- dragonelite 5y ago
  The second cold war has been going on for almost a decade, it just become more significant with Trump escalating. But the Washington foreign policy think tanks have been talking about it for almost a decade. Its all viewable on their YouTube channels.

vsareto 5y ago

I'm starting to think that one can predict a cold war roughly as accurately as an economic bubble bursting

FredPret 5y ago
This is only the second one ever, if you go by the modern conception of the term

simion314 5y ago

>the cold war with the other one is just now spinning up This can't be the correct explanation since the China exclusion is not recent. Is anyone still investigating who started that Bloomberg fake news that kick-started the entire 5G/Huawei conspiracy ? I mean there was no proof that anything weird is happening so I am still wondering if there was a government Agency or some rich dudes that started this.

sslayer 5y ago
The cold war with China started 25 years ago.
- FredPret 5y ago
  What would you say was the event that kicked it off?
- vimy 5y ago
  No, until a couple years ago there was the expectation (hope?) China would become more liberal and closer to the West. A lot of economic concessions were made with that expectation in mind. Turns out we were wrong.
publicola1990 5y ago
US passed a Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880s.

publicola1990 5y ago

More than the Cold War the US-China situation is looking more like the US-Japan relationship before World War 2.

eunos 5y ago

Back then the risks of not integrating Russia were massive. Their scientists could move to China, Iran, or even North Korea. US would like to avoid that.