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You lack historical context there, what about Israelis expelling people from their homes, people who lived there for centuries? There's no good and bad side the

You lack historical context there, what about Israelis expelling people from their homes, people who lived there for centuries? There's no good and bad side there, it's 2+ sides fighting for limited space and resources (and colonial and neocolonial powers steering the whole thing to suit their geo-political interests of the day). It's ugly all over, no matter which way you look at it...

mikevm 5y ago
You're also lacking historical context. What about Arabs conquering Palestine in the 7th century and expelling people from their homes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#Conquest_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#... Plus, many Arabs left their homes because they told them to do so. They expected them to be able to come back after they finish killing the Jews, which never happened, and hopefully never will.
- g8oz 5y ago
  The Nakba happened in living memory though. We can't do anything about the 7th century but we can do something about the current occupation and circumscribing of Palestinian lives. Namely a) Boycotts b) Divestment c) Sanctions.
  - mikevm 5y ago
    The "Nakba" is the result of their own leaders starting a war against the nascent Jewish state and telling the Arabs to leave their homes and come back once they're done getting rid of the Jews - something that never happened, and hopefully never will. They Arabs had multiple opportunities to settle this conflict, it's purely a result of their own making.
    - g8oz 5y ago
      The colonized are always blamed for resisting. Mugger's logic.
      - mikevm 5y ago
        The Arabs themselves colonized the area in the 7th century, but idiots will never accept this fact.
- ivanhoe 5y ago
  Are you seriously comparing conquests and migrations of the 7th century and a thing that happened in our life time? Well, my life time at least... I actually went to high-school with a Palestinian kid who immigrated with his parents to Yugoslavia. His family was kicked out of their apartment and put into a camp and he spent a part of his young life locked there. In his own words the hardest was that the camp was relatively near where they used to live and they could actually see their old building's roofs from the camp, through the wire fence, knowing that someone else now lives in their home. It's a recent event still very alive in mind and souls of Palestinian people, not some ancient story from time when Anglo-Saxons still ruled the Britain and Slavs haven't moved to Europe yet.
  - TheGuyWhoCodes 5y ago
    So what you are saying is that we should wait couple of hundreds of years and then there is a statute of limitation? How far in history do we need to go for context? - 67 (6 day war)? - 64 (PLO founding) - 48 (Israel independence)? - 1920 Nebi Musa riots, 1921 Jaffa riots, 1929 Palestine riots, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine?
    - ivanhoe 5y ago
      The further back in history you go less relevant it is for the current events commentary - I thought it's something well established?
  - mikevm 5y ago
    There's no such thing as a Palestinian people. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestin...

mikevm 5y ago

You're also lacking historical context. What about Arabs conquering Palestine in the 7th century and expelling people from their homes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#Conquest_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#... Plus, many Arabs left their homes because they told them to do so. They expected them to be able to come back after they finish killing the Jews, which never happened, and hopefully never will.

g8oz 5y ago
The Nakba happened in living memory though. We can't do anything about the 7th century but we can do something about the current occupation and circumscribing of Palestinian lives. Namely a) Boycotts b) Divestment c) Sanctions.
- mikevm 5y ago
  The "Nakba" is the result of their own leaders starting a war against the nascent Jewish state and telling the Arabs to leave their homes and come back once they're done getting rid of the Jews - something that never happened, and hopefully never will. They Arabs had multiple opportunities to settle this conflict, it's purely a result of their own making.
  - g8oz 5y ago
    The colonized are always blamed for resisting. Mugger's logic.
    - mikevm 5y ago
      The Arabs themselves colonized the area in the 7th century, but idiots will never accept this fact.
ivanhoe 5y ago
Are you seriously comparing conquests and migrations of the 7th century and a thing that happened in our life time? Well, my life time at least... I actually went to high-school with a Palestinian kid who immigrated with his parents to Yugoslavia. His family was kicked out of their apartment and put into a camp and he spent a part of his young life locked there. In his own words the hardest was that the camp was relatively near where they used to live and they could actually see their old building's roofs from the camp, through the wire fence, knowing that someone else now lives in their home. It's a recent event still very alive in mind and souls of Palestinian people, not some ancient story from time when Anglo-Saxons still ruled the Britain and Slavs haven't moved to Europe yet.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 5y ago
  So what you are saying is that we should wait couple of hundreds of years and then there is a statute of limitation? How far in history do we need to go for context? - 67 (6 day war)? - 64 (PLO founding) - 48 (Israel independence)? - 1920 Nebi Musa riots, 1921 Jaffa riots, 1929 Palestine riots, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine?
  - ivanhoe 5y ago
    The further back in history you go less relevant it is for the current events commentary - I thought it's something well established?
- mikevm 5y ago
  There's no such thing as a Palestinian people. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestin...