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This is the prompt I got running php in macOS11: $ php --version WARNING: PHP is not recommended PHP is included in macOS for compatibility with legacy s

This is the prompt I got running php in macOS11: $ php --version WARNING: PHP is not recommended PHP is included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. Future versions of macOS will not include PHP. PHP 7.3.24-(to be removed in future macOS) (cli) ( NTS ) Copyright (c) 1997-2018 The PHP Group Zend Engine v3.3.24, Copyright (c) 1998-2018 Zend Technologies

dstick 5y ago
PHP is not recommended... wait, what? I can somehow understand the lowercase version / command, as in - we're phasing it out. Get it somewhere else. But giving the thumbs down to one of the most popular web dev languages out there is - I'm at a loss for words really.
- detaro 5y ago
  It's just a generic "this is deprecated and will be removed, don't rely on it" message, not a comment on the language...
  - mdp2020 5y ago
    But it is in such case a strong confirmation about how people are losing conscience of language (not a good thing to sacrifice, in terms of priority - it is very related to thought pollution), and awareness in general, and awareness, attention and quality as values. A progress towards "shallow as a new normal".
  - dstick 5y ago
    I reference that in my post: lowercase “php” would refer to the command. Uppercase “PHP” to the language.
habibur 5y ago
Looks like the same is said for Python, Ruby, Perl and all other scripting languages on MacOS too. Apparently Apple prefers compiled binary for everything. Am not complaining. The included Apache/MySQL servers were too old and I had to install those anew. But that always collided with the stock installed one. It's good that Apple getting rid of those. Install what you need afresh.
- maratc 5y ago
  > Looks like the same is said for Python, Ruby, Perl and all other scripting languages on MacOS too. I just ran a version check on Python (2 and 3), Ruby, and Perl, and none of them said anything to the tune of "will be removed soon". (MacOS 11)
  - habibur 5y ago
    There's a different comment here in this discussion from someone else that quotes the relevant text. Check that. Running the commands won't. But said elsewhere.
- gregoriol 5y ago
  Or they just don't want to maintain/update those components because there are much better and up-to-date ways to install them.
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  >Apparently Apple prefers compiled binary for everything If you're an Apple exec it's hard to ignore that iOS succeeded fine with just bundling everything into self contained apps. They definitely see this is as the future and the old model as the past.
slver 5y ago
It's not the best way to phrase it.
mfollert 5y ago
> WARNING: PHP is not recommended haha, I know it is a generic warning, but that is pure gold :D
- cies 5y ago
  Like gold? This is where the rainbow leads to: https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp
  - corobo 5y ago
    I love that "I don't like this thing so I'm going to surround myself with it" subreddits exist People are weird.
    - cies 5y ago
      I had many blasts reading posts in that sub.
kijin 5y ago
PHP 7.3.24 was released just two weeks before macOS 11's general availability. If their policy is to freeze whatever version they could get their hands on at release time and ignore security fixes afterward, I would say good riddance. Third-party repos would do a much better job.

dstick 5y ago

PHP is not recommended... wait, what? I can somehow understand the lowercase version / command, as in - we're phasing it out. Get it somewhere else. But giving the thumbs down to one of the most popular web dev languages out there is - I'm at a loss for words really.

detaro 5y ago
It's just a generic "this is deprecated and will be removed, don't rely on it" message, not a comment on the language...
- mdp2020 5y ago
  But it is in such case a strong confirmation about how people are losing conscience of language (not a good thing to sacrifice, in terms of priority - it is very related to thought pollution), and awareness in general, and awareness, attention and quality as values. A progress towards "shallow as a new normal".
- dstick 5y ago
  I reference that in my post: lowercase “php” would refer to the command. Uppercase “PHP” to the language.

habibur 5y ago

Looks like the same is said for Python, Ruby, Perl and all other scripting languages on MacOS too. Apparently Apple prefers compiled binary for everything. Am not complaining. The included Apache/MySQL servers were too old and I had to install those anew. But that always collided with the stock installed one. It's good that Apple getting rid of those. Install what you need afresh.

maratc 5y ago
> Looks like the same is said for Python, Ruby, Perl and all other scripting languages on MacOS too. I just ran a version check on Python (2 and 3), Ruby, and Perl, and none of them said anything to the tune of "will be removed soon". (MacOS 11)
- habibur 5y ago
  There's a different comment here in this discussion from someone else that quotes the relevant text. Check that. Running the commands won't. But said elsewhere.
gregoriol 5y ago
Or they just don't want to maintain/update those components because there are much better and up-to-date ways to install them.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
>Apparently Apple prefers compiled binary for everything If you're an Apple exec it's hard to ignore that iOS succeeded fine with just bundling everything into self contained apps. They definitely see this is as the future and the old model as the past.

slver 5y ago

It's not the best way to phrase it.

mfollert 5y ago

> WARNING: PHP is not recommended haha, I know it is a generic warning, but that is pure gold :D

cies 5y ago
Like gold? This is where the rainbow leads to: https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp
- corobo 5y ago
  I love that "I don't like this thing so I'm going to surround myself with it" subreddits exist People are weird.
  - cies 5y ago
    I had many blasts reading posts in that sub.

kijin 5y ago

PHP 7.3.24 was released just two weeks before macOS 11's general availability. If their policy is to freeze whatever version they could get their hands on at release time and ignore security fixes afterward, I would say good riddance. Third-party repos would do a much better job.