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The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. Most i

by throwzaway20102 5y ago

The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. Most if not all apple/iOS users are happy with the closed garden approach apple has setup. Aside from a handful of nerds who don’t want to pay a an apple premium to put their crappy home brewed app on their iPhone at the risk of making the entire system vulnerable for everyone else.

jwalton 5y ago
> These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. To give you a specific example, if I wanted to install a gameboy emulator on my iPhone, I wouldn’t be able to through the App Store as emulators are generally disallowed, but if I could side load then I could install an open source one. This would benefit me, and wouldn’t benefit any corporations.
- throwzaway20102 5y ago
  You are like 0.0000000001% of the usecase. You might benefit from playing retro Pokémon but Epic will benefit at least $10b more than you. Also, you have the most innovative APIs available that you can use to make apps that can change lives or change the world and you want to make a fucking game boy emulator? Android this way ———>
  - mthoms 5y ago
    Society and the environment would benefit enormously by being able to repurpose old iPhones and iPads. Side loading would make these devices significantly less likely to end up in landfill. That benefits everyone except corporations.
    - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
      Yea like how it’s happening for cheap android devices and PCs? Oh … wait.
    - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
      You wanna help society and the environment? Go. Fucking. Vegan. Asking our corporate overlords to help save the earth is the most idiotic thing I’ve read her. Almost as dumb as looking at Hollywood to teach morals or accurate history
    - barkingmax222 5y ago
      Go vegan if you want to save society and the environment.
  - jerojero123 5y ago
    This is a very bad argument. The benefit of others, in this case, has nothing to do with your own benefit. Its true, epic might profit for several millions, so what? How does that affect me or other users? Apple keeps acting like the user is somehow this baby that needs to be protected, we're not. We're adults that can make our own decisions. Android and iOS are completely different operating systems, iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. BTW, open source apps have to go through hoops to be published on the appstore because of their rules and regulations.
    - jrnichols 5y ago
      > iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. YOU could do that, but as others have said, the problem is that other people are not going to do that. For the average user, it's a huge attack vector, or let's be honest, it'll be used to pirate apps. The average user doesn't even know what open source is, and when they Goa head and side load some new game because their "neighbors son really knows computers" and their iPhone gets taken over by adware, who do you think they're going to blame? Do you really think they'll go "oh well, that was the risk I took by side loading." or something? Nope. They'll go "Wow, that was terrible. Apple sucks. The iPhone is insecure garbage!" That's exactly what would happen and we all know this. If anything, perhaps Apple could make an "iPhone 12 - Developer Edition" and only allow side loading in that version... and offer no warranty other than hardware. Keep it out of the hands of Average User but the ones that think they're such power users can buy it.
      - barkingmax222 5y ago
        Bang on mate. Especially the point about piracy. This change would actually fuck over the small independent developers the most who would see their apps being listed on forums availanle as .apks or whatever, the you download from a shady hosting website, from which some random guy will make ad dollars while infecting your device with malware. The people who support this really just want a way to not pay for shit and we all know it. Epic and co don’t want to pay apple, and the rest don’t want to pay 1Password, etc The “I’m a nerd and I just wanna put my cool apps on my phone and share with friends” is literally like 5 people.
dmz73 5y ago
Apple has already made money by selling you the iPhone/iPad hardware. If different app stores are allowed then Apple's app store does not host or review the app so they do not suffer any loss there. So this just means that Apple wants the extra money from App store and they don't care what users want. Now people say that Apple has the right to control their devices and that would be true...if they were leasing them but they are not, they are selling them and once sold the phones are not Apple's devices anymore. So when I ask Apple to allow me to use MY device any way I want they should not have the right to say no.
ksec 5y ago
>The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. NO. Business owners dont want to be beholden to Apple. Some are even fine with 30% cut ( which is a ridiculous amount depending on sector ). But why should Business Owner beg for Apple's mercy just to be on the App Store? None of these would have happen had Apple been a good guardian of the App store and their power. I am a happy Apple customer, half happy shareholder, unhappy business owner.

jwalton 5y ago

> These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. To give you a specific example, if I wanted to install a gameboy emulator on my iPhone, I wouldn’t be able to through the App Store as emulators are generally disallowed, but if I could side load then I could install an open source one. This would benefit me, and wouldn’t benefit any corporations.

throwzaway20102 5y ago
You are like 0.0000000001% of the usecase. You might benefit from playing retro Pokémon but Epic will benefit at least $10b more than you. Also, you have the most innovative APIs available that you can use to make apps that can change lives or change the world and you want to make a fucking game boy emulator? Android this way ———>
- mthoms 5y ago
  Society and the environment would benefit enormously by being able to repurpose old iPhones and iPads. Side loading would make these devices significantly less likely to end up in landfill. That benefits everyone except corporations.
  - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
    Yea like how it’s happening for cheap android devices and PCs? Oh … wait.
  - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
    You wanna help society and the environment? Go. Fucking. Vegan. Asking our corporate overlords to help save the earth is the most idiotic thing I’ve read her. Almost as dumb as looking at Hollywood to teach morals or accurate history
  - barkingmax222 5y ago
    Go vegan if you want to save society and the environment.
- jerojero123 5y ago
  This is a very bad argument. The benefit of others, in this case, has nothing to do with your own benefit. Its true, epic might profit for several millions, so what? How does that affect me or other users? Apple keeps acting like the user is somehow this baby that needs to be protected, we're not. We're adults that can make our own decisions. Android and iOS are completely different operating systems, iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. BTW, open source apps have to go through hoops to be published on the appstore because of their rules and regulations.
  - jrnichols 5y ago
    > iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. YOU could do that, but as others have said, the problem is that other people are not going to do that. For the average user, it's a huge attack vector, or let's be honest, it'll be used to pirate apps. The average user doesn't even know what open source is, and when they Goa head and side load some new game because their "neighbors son really knows computers" and their iPhone gets taken over by adware, who do you think they're going to blame? Do you really think they'll go "oh well, that was the risk I took by side loading." or something? Nope. They'll go "Wow, that was terrible. Apple sucks. The iPhone is insecure garbage!" That's exactly what would happen and we all know this. If anything, perhaps Apple could make an "iPhone 12 - Developer Edition" and only allow side loading in that version... and offer no warranty other than hardware. Keep it out of the hands of Average User but the ones that think they're such power users can buy it.
    - barkingmax222 5y ago
      Bang on mate. Especially the point about piracy. This change would actually fuck over the small independent developers the most who would see their apps being listed on forums availanle as .apks or whatever, the you download from a shady hosting website, from which some random guy will make ad dollars while infecting your device with malware. The people who support this really just want a way to not pay for shit and we all know it. Epic and co don’t want to pay apple, and the rest don’t want to pay 1Password, etc The “I’m a nerd and I just wanna put my cool apps on my phone and share with friends” is literally like 5 people.

dmz73 5y ago

Apple has already made money by selling you the iPhone/iPad hardware. If different app stores are allowed then Apple's app store does not host or review the app so they do not suffer any loss there. So this just means that Apple wants the extra money from App store and they don't care what users want. Now people say that Apple has the right to control their devices and that would be true...if they were leasing them but they are not, they are selling them and once sold the phones are not Apple's devices anymore. So when I ask Apple to allow me to use MY device any way I want they should not have the right to say no.

ksec 5y ago

>The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. NO. Business owners dont want to be beholden to Apple. Some are even fine with 30% cut ( which is a ridiculous amount depending on sector ). But why should Business Owner beg for Apple's mercy just to be on the App Store? None of these would have happen had Apple been a good guardian of the App store and their power. I am a happy Apple customer, half happy shareholder, unhappy business owner.