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I agree with Tim Cook.

by throwzaway20102 5y ago

crackercrews 5y ago
Are there any number of hoops that users could be required to jump through that would make you comfortable with this?
- barkingmax222 5y ago
  Yes, have a developer program and sdk and review every app to make sure there’s no back doors or malware. Oh wait.
perfopt 5y ago
Could you say why? I am all for the Apple privacy and security features but disallowing side loading is merely taking away choice from users
- throwzaway20102 5y ago
  The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. Most if not all apple/iOS users are happy with the closed garden approach apple has setup. Aside from a handful of nerds who don’t want to pay a an apple premium to put their crappy home brewed app on their iPhone at the risk of making the entire system vulnerable for everyone else.
  - jwalton 5y ago
    > These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. To give you a specific example, if I wanted to install a gameboy emulator on my iPhone, I wouldn’t be able to through the App Store as emulators are generally disallowed, but if I could side load then I could install an open source one. This would benefit me, and wouldn’t benefit any corporations.
    - throwzaway20102 5y ago
      You are like 0.0000000001% of the usecase. You might benefit from playing retro Pokémon but Epic will benefit at least $10b more than you. Also, you have the most innovative APIs available that you can use to make apps that can change lives or change the world and you want to make a fucking game boy emulator? Android this way ———>
      - mthoms 5y ago
        Society and the environment would benefit enormously by being able to repurpose old iPhones and iPads. Side loading would make these devices significantly less likely to end up in landfill. That benefits everyone except corporations.
        throwmedaddy19 5y ago
        Yea like how it’s happening for cheap android devices and PCs? Oh … wait.
        throwmedaddy19 5y ago
        You wanna help society and the environment? Go. Fucking. Vegan. Asking our corporate overlords to help save the earth is the most idiotic thing I’ve read her. Almost as dumb as looking at Hollywood to teach morals or accurate history
        barkingmax222 5y ago
        Go vegan if you want to save society and the environment.
      - jerojero123 5y ago
        This is a very bad argument. The benefit of others, in this case, has nothing to do with your own benefit. Its true, epic might profit for several millions, so what? How does that affect me or other users? Apple keeps acting like the user is somehow this baby that needs to be protected, we're not. We're adults that can make our own decisions. Android and iOS are completely different operating systems, iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. BTW, open source apps have to go through hoops to be published on the appstore because of their rules and regulations.
  - dmz73 5y ago
    Apple has already made money by selling you the iPhone/iPad hardware. If different app stores are allowed then Apple's app store does not host or review the app so they do not suffer any loss there. So this just means that Apple wants the extra money from App store and they don't care what users want. Now people say that Apple has the right to control their devices and that would be true...if they were leasing them but they are not, they are selling them and once sold the phones are not Apple's devices anymore. So when I ask Apple to allow me to use MY device any way I want they should not have the right to say no.
  - ksec 5y ago
    >The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. NO. Business owners dont want to be beholden to Apple. Some are even fine with 30% cut ( which is a ridiculous amount depending on sector ). But why should Business Owner beg for Apple's mercy just to be on the App Store? None of these would have happen had Apple been a good guardian of the App store and their power. I am a happy Apple customer, half happy shareholder, unhappy business owner.

I agree with Tim Cook.

crackercrews 5y ago

Are there any number of hoops that users could be required to jump through that would make you comfortable with this?

barkingmax222 5y ago
Yes, have a developer program and sdk and review every app to make sure there’s no back doors or malware. Oh wait.

perfopt 5y ago

Could you say why? I am all for the Apple privacy and security features but disallowing side loading is merely taking away choice from users

throwzaway20102 5y ago
The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. Most if not all apple/iOS users are happy with the closed garden approach apple has setup. Aside from a handful of nerds who don’t want to pay a an apple premium to put their crappy home brewed app on their iPhone at the risk of making the entire system vulnerable for everyone else.
- jwalton 5y ago
  > These corporations are the only ones to benefit from this. To give you a specific example, if I wanted to install a gameboy emulator on my iPhone, I wouldn’t be able to through the App Store as emulators are generally disallowed, but if I could side load then I could install an open source one. This would benefit me, and wouldn’t benefit any corporations.
  - throwzaway20102 5y ago
    You are like 0.0000000001% of the usecase. You might benefit from playing retro Pokémon but Epic will benefit at least $10b more than you. Also, you have the most innovative APIs available that you can use to make apps that can change lives or change the world and you want to make a fucking game boy emulator? Android this way ———>
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Society and the environment would benefit enormously by being able to repurpose old iPhones and iPads. Side loading would make these devices significantly less likely to end up in landfill. That benefits everyone except corporations.
      - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
        Yea like how it’s happening for cheap android devices and PCs? Oh … wait.
      - throwmedaddy19 5y ago
        You wanna help society and the environment? Go. Fucking. Vegan. Asking our corporate overlords to help save the earth is the most idiotic thing I’ve read her. Almost as dumb as looking at Hollywood to teach morals or accurate history
      - barkingmax222 5y ago
        Go vegan if you want to save society and the environment.
    - jerojero123 5y ago
      This is a very bad argument. The benefit of others, in this case, has nothing to do with your own benefit. Its true, epic might profit for several millions, so what? How does that affect me or other users? Apple keeps acting like the user is somehow this baby that needs to be protected, we're not. We're adults that can make our own decisions. Android and iOS are completely different operating systems, iOS is better for privacy but for example if something like fdroid existed on iOS I could compliment the apps on the appstore with free software one that I know also guarantee my privacy. BTW, open source apps have to go through hoops to be published on the appstore because of their rules and regulations.
- dmz73 5y ago
  Apple has already made money by selling you the iPhone/iPad hardware. If different app stores are allowed then Apple's app store does not host or review the app so they do not suffer any loss there. So this just means that Apple wants the extra money from App store and they don't care what users want. Now people say that Apple has the right to control their devices and that would be true...if they were leasing them but they are not, they are selling them and once sold the phones are not Apple's devices anymore. So when I ask Apple to allow me to use MY device any way I want they should not have the right to say no.
- ksec 5y ago
  >The only reason this is happening is because Epic and the like want to keep 100% of revenue. NO. Business owners dont want to be beholden to Apple. Some are even fine with 30% cut ( which is a ridiculous amount depending on sector ). But why should Business Owner beg for Apple's mercy just to be on the App Store? None of these would have happen had Apple been a good guardian of the App store and their power. I am a happy Apple customer, half happy shareholder, unhappy business owner.