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Well...without getting into any sort of "you don't actually know what you're struggling with", it's probably best to just say sorry you're struggling. Hopefully

Well...without getting into any sort of "you don't actually know what you're struggling with", it's probably best to just say sorry you're struggling. Hopefully you seek actual help. Best of luck.

encoderer 5y ago
Thank you! Best of luck to you too!
- smichel17 5y ago
  For how this thread started and progressed, I'm pleasantly surprised at how it ended. Instead of getting into flame wars, I wish people would take this route more often. "I don't think we'll be able to work this out in this medium. Nothing personal and no hard feelings. Have a nice day." Kudos to you both.
  - void_mint 5y ago
    You don't change people's minds on the internet, no matter how misguided they might be. Just gotta let em figure it out for themselves mostly.
    - zentiggr 5y ago
      It's taken me a lot of work to figure it out for myself (with some excellent professional assistance). I still feel like just expressing my viewpoint could help someone else change, I just don't expect it most of the time. We are stubborn brains.
      - void_mint 5y ago
        I try to provide some amount of reason, mostly just so if someone on the fence reads they can at least see some amount of argument against a bad idea, but the originator of the bad idea is only going to double down on their take.
        encoderer 5y ago
        That is very reasonable for debate. But deciding to armchair-quarterback what somebody knows about their own mental health is frankly not a debate just an attack and a pretty silly one at that.
        void_mint 5y ago
        But you don't _know_. You're undiagnosed. You _think_. You read a book that resonated with you and decided you had ADHD without seeking a legitimate diagnosis. That's not _knowing_. Continuing to spread the idea that any unqualified person can just decide they have a mental health disorder without seeking help from _legitimate professionals_ in that space is negligent. I'm attacking the negligent spread of harmful information about mental health, as _obviously_ people that are struggling with mental health conditions _should seek qualified help_. I'm glad the book you read helped you find some amount of clarity or made you feel better. That's great!
        encoderer 5y ago
        No, I _know_. It is, after all, my mind. Possibly, for yours, you need a doctor to rattle off 10 questions and write down your answers. But me, for mine, I am content to read the 10 questions written by the doctors for me to interpret myself. The fact that you don't realize you are being offensive is just so... chef's kiss. Please continue your crusade against negligence elsewhere. You've added absolutely nothing here.
        void_mint 5y ago
        > No, I _know_. It is, after all, my mind. The arrogance of this statement is astounding. > The fact that you don't realize you are being offensive is just so... chef's kiss. I'm certain that you're offended by my statements, but only because of your aforementioned arrogance. Telling unqualified individuals to seek help from qualified individuals about matters regarding mental health isn't offensive. I'm sorry that I don't have the faith in random unqualified individuals that you do. > Please continue your crusade against negligence elsewhere. You've added absolutely nothing here. I ended our conversation previously and you chose to revive this discussion. You're welcome to see yourself out whenever you're ready.

Well...without getting into any sort of "you don't actually know what you're struggling with", it's probably best to just say sorry you're struggling. Hopefully you seek actual help. Best of luck.

encoderer 5y ago

Thank you! Best of luck to you too!

smichel17 5y ago
For how this thread started and progressed, I'm pleasantly surprised at how it ended. Instead of getting into flame wars, I wish people would take this route more often. "I don't think we'll be able to work this out in this medium. Nothing personal and no hard feelings. Have a nice day." Kudos to you both.
- void_mint 5y ago
  You don't change people's minds on the internet, no matter how misguided they might be. Just gotta let em figure it out for themselves mostly.
  - zentiggr 5y ago
    It's taken me a lot of work to figure it out for myself (with some excellent professional assistance). I still feel like just expressing my viewpoint could help someone else change, I just don't expect it most of the time. We are stubborn brains.
    - void_mint 5y ago
      I try to provide some amount of reason, mostly just so if someone on the fence reads they can at least see some amount of argument against a bad idea, but the originator of the bad idea is only going to double down on their take.
      - encoderer 5y ago
        That is very reasonable for debate. But deciding to armchair-quarterback what somebody knows about their own mental health is frankly not a debate just an attack and a pretty silly one at that.
        void_mint 5y ago
        But you don't _know_. You're undiagnosed. You _think_. You read a book that resonated with you and decided you had ADHD without seeking a legitimate diagnosis. That's not _knowing_. Continuing to spread the idea that any unqualified person can just decide they have a mental health disorder without seeking help from _legitimate professionals_ in that space is negligent. I'm attacking the negligent spread of harmful information about mental health, as _obviously_ people that are struggling with mental health conditions _should seek qualified help_. I'm glad the book you read helped you find some amount of clarity or made you feel better. That's great!
        encoderer 5y ago
        No, I _know_. It is, after all, my mind. Possibly, for yours, you need a doctor to rattle off 10 questions and write down your answers. But me, for mine, I am content to read the 10 questions written by the doctors for me to interpret myself. The fact that you don't realize you are being offensive is just so... chef's kiss. Please continue your crusade against negligence elsewhere. You've added absolutely nothing here.
        void_mint 5y ago
        > No, I _know_. It is, after all, my mind. The arrogance of this statement is astounding. > The fact that you don't realize you are being offensive is just so... chef's kiss. I'm certain that you're offended by my statements, but only because of your aforementioned arrogance. Telling unqualified individuals to seek help from qualified individuals about matters regarding mental health isn't offensive. I'm sorry that I don't have the faith in random unqualified individuals that you do. > Please continue your crusade against negligence elsewhere. You've added absolutely nothing here. I ended our conversation previously and you chose to revive this discussion. You're welcome to see yourself out whenever you're ready.