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Unless your collecting food stamps in the rust belt?

knownjorbist 5y ago
The overall economic cost of trying to maintain generation after generation doing the same thing with the same results far outweighs the people experiencing some pain of having to re-train, go to school or move elsewhere. If anything that's where the government should be trying to help, not trying to prop up industries with our tax dollars.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I think it’s also about resilience of global reliance and disruptions. “Someone’s gotta make stuff” as Elon puts it. Manufacturing of stupid trivial things like buttons and pins is still important to keep high volume manufacturing knowledge and knowhow.
  - knownjorbist 5y ago
    With select exceptions(defense, mainly), disruptions of the kind you're describing are best handled with multilateralism.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      Definitely defense, if you study history - how bacon grease was collected from homes to make lubricant for cartridges during WWII; making pins and buttons for clothes was turned into component manufacturing for airplanes almost overnight. Within a few days, people worked to convert equipment, draft new mechanisms, turn them at the machine shop, fixer-upper some machines - converted the entire enterprise into making shaft pins and washers. There were countless examples of how quickly manufacturing of A was converted to manufacturing of B. Ken Burns documentary goes much deeper into this and I find it totally fascinating. Chinese populace has an insane level of "jerry-rigging" capability because of how they bring costs down. This is a huge advantage in war manufacturing theater. This is now questionable as Americans (and Europeans alike) are constantly in consumption mode.
underseacables 5y ago
I think there is a serious disconnect between those who grew up with manufacturing, will appreciate it perhaps, and those that have no clue. It’s clear from some of these comments that there are some people that grew up in non-manufacturing household, non-manufacturing cities, and I think for them manufacturing is like McDonald’s. The local McDonald’s closed, oh well. I’m sure they’ll find another job. They can learn to code.
- knownjorbist 5y ago
  The ancestors of the people you're describing moved & learned new skills in that scenario. If markets are moving away from that particular niche, the government should not be artificially preserving the conditions under which generations can do the same thing and expect the same result. What happened to personal responsibility?

The overall economic cost of trying to maintain generation after generation doing the same thing with the same results far outweighs the people experiencing some pain of having to re-train, go to school or move elsewhere. If anything that's where the government should be trying to help, not trying to prop up industries with our tax dollars.

systemvoltage 5y ago
I think it’s also about resilience of global reliance and disruptions. “Someone’s gotta make stuff” as Elon puts it. Manufacturing of stupid trivial things like buttons and pins is still important to keep high volume manufacturing knowledge and knowhow.
- knownjorbist 5y ago
  With select exceptions(defense, mainly), disruptions of the kind you're describing are best handled with multilateralism.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Definitely defense, if you study history - how bacon grease was collected from homes to make lubricant for cartridges during WWII; making pins and buttons for clothes was turned into component manufacturing for airplanes almost overnight. Within a few days, people worked to convert equipment, draft new mechanisms, turn them at the machine shop, fixer-upper some machines - converted the entire enterprise into making shaft pins and washers. There were countless examples of how quickly manufacturing of A was converted to manufacturing of B. Ken Burns documentary goes much deeper into this and I find it totally fascinating. Chinese populace has an insane level of "jerry-rigging" capability because of how they bring costs down. This is a huge advantage in war manufacturing theater. This is now questionable as Americans (and Europeans alike) are constantly in consumption mode.

underseacables 5y ago

I think there is a serious disconnect between those who grew up with manufacturing, will appreciate it perhaps, and those that have no clue. It’s clear from some of these comments that there are some people that grew up in non-manufacturing household, non-manufacturing cities, and I think for them manufacturing is like McDonald’s. The local McDonald’s closed, oh well. I’m sure they’ll find another job. They can learn to code.

knownjorbist 5y ago
The ancestors of the people you're describing moved & learned new skills in that scenario. If markets are moving away from that particular niche, the government should not be artificially preserving the conditions under which generations can do the same thing and expect the same result. What happened to personal responsibility?