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"beyond the accounts of European male explorers that usually predominate." Here I was reading a fun account about Polynesian Antarctic seafaring and then that

"beyond the accounts of European male explorers that usually predominate." Here I was reading a fun account about Polynesian Antarctic seafaring and then that happens.

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0_____0 5y ago
Not sure what you mean. You were reminded that our historical record of exploration was written by, and mostly features, Europeans? Not exactly a controversy, that in particular.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  I love reading out of place attacks on men in every article these days. Really refreshing to see identity politics flamewars in a article about Antarctica discovery. I can't imagine why he would have a problem with it.
  - 0_____0 5y ago
    It's perfectly contextual (the whole point of the article is looking past records kept by European explorers). I think maybe people grate at seeing the words "white|European male" in any context but that's not the writers problem, that's a fact integral to the story. Here's the passage in question for those that haven't seen TFA. >Wehi said collating traditional Maori accounts helped give a broader view of Antarctic history, beyond the accounts of European male explorers that usually predominate. >"History tends to be told by one voice and there's often a dominant narrative," she told the New Zealand Herald. > "Often indigenous history and even women's history becomes invisible, so for me it's about making that history visible."
    - timwaagh 5y ago
      I was offended because of the male adjective. If they had said European explorers that would have been normal but the gender of the European explorers seems to not be very relevant and included only for political signalling reasons.
    - bprieto 5y ago
      > Often indigenous history Often indigenous history is not history because it is not written. Usually it's a collection of stories with wildly varying roots in facts.
      - 0_____0 5y ago
        That also describes written history
  - postsantum 5y ago
    Vaguely reminiscent of how it was mandatory to make random remarks towards bourgeoisie in soviet institutions As a child, I had a book that was like an encyclopedia of the world for kids. Neary every entry was littered with mentioning class struggle, political systems of countries and political views of prominent people. Guess what I learned from the article about Scott and Amundsen?

"beyond the accounts of European male explorers that usually predominate." Here I was reading a fun account about Polynesian Antarctic seafaring and then that happens.

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0_____0 5y ago

Not sure what you mean. You were reminded that our historical record of exploration was written by, and mostly features, Europeans? Not exactly a controversy, that in particular.

thatguy0900 5y ago
I love reading out of place attacks on men in every article these days. Really refreshing to see identity politics flamewars in a article about Antarctica discovery. I can't imagine why he would have a problem with it.
- 0_____0 5y ago
  It's perfectly contextual (the whole point of the article is looking past records kept by European explorers). I think maybe people grate at seeing the words "white|European male" in any context but that's not the writers problem, that's a fact integral to the story. Here's the passage in question for those that haven't seen TFA. >Wehi said collating traditional Maori accounts helped give a broader view of Antarctic history, beyond the accounts of European male explorers that usually predominate. >"History tends to be told by one voice and there's often a dominant narrative," she told the New Zealand Herald. > "Often indigenous history and even women's history becomes invisible, so for me it's about making that history visible."
  - timwaagh 5y ago
    I was offended because of the male adjective. If they had said European explorers that would have been normal but the gender of the European explorers seems to not be very relevant and included only for political signalling reasons.
  - bprieto 5y ago
    > Often indigenous history Often indigenous history is not history because it is not written. Usually it's a collection of stories with wildly varying roots in facts.
    - 0_____0 5y ago
      That also describes written history
- postsantum 5y ago
  Vaguely reminiscent of how it was mandatory to make random remarks towards bourgeoisie in soviet institutions As a child, I had a book that was like an encyclopedia of the world for kids. Neary every entry was littered with mentioning class struggle, political systems of countries and political views of prominent people. Guess what I learned from the article about Scott and Amundsen?