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Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining. The part that bothered me was not that they described something that shared some concepts with PowerShell as "a new kind",

Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining. The part that bothered me was not that they described something that shared some concepts with PowerShell as "a new kind", but that I did not see any illustration of entirely novel features in the examples that followed. As a sibling comment remarked, they feel I'm quite mistaken, and there are very positive distinctions illustrated in the examples, but I took a look at them again, and it's still not clear to me what they mean. I think I don't see why it's unreasonable for something which advertises cross-platform support to be compared to common shells on all those platforms, not just originally-*ix ones? That is, I think it's totally reasonable for you to think the tagline is justified solely by the differences in those shells, even if I disagree, but I don't see why you think it's unreasonable for me to hold this view?

kstenerud 5y ago
It's not a question of precision, but rather one of convention. In this case, the convention is that a marketing line glosses over huge swaths of reality in order to give a simple and compelling narrative (people like things to appear simple, even if they're not - and even if they KNOW they're not). So calling out imprecisions and inaccuracies in this context reflects poorly upon you because everyone is already aware of the unspoken assumptions being made, and take criticisms about things already covered by the assumptions as unnecessary and irritating pedantry. As in a "Yes, we KNOW that it's not technically 100% accurate, please stop being annoying." sort of response. From my impression of your word choice and sentence structure, I'm making the assumption that you have autistic traits, which is why I'm explaining in more detail and on a social level.
- rincebrain 5y ago
  I appreciate you attempting to explain.
  - wccrawford 5y ago
    FWIW, I don't think "it's marketing" is a valid excuse for them saying things that aren't true. It's not a "new kind of shell" because it's mimicking things that already exist. The author even knows about those things and cites them. I do not accept the idea that it's okay to make false claims to create a narrative, marketing or otherwise. And I'm not on the spectrum.

kstenerud 5y ago

It's not a question of precision, but rather one of convention. In this case, the convention is that a marketing line glosses over huge swaths of reality in order to give a simple and compelling narrative (people like things to appear simple, even if they're not - and even if they KNOW they're not). So calling out imprecisions and inaccuracies in this context reflects poorly upon you because everyone is already aware of the unspoken assumptions being made, and take criticisms about things already covered by the assumptions as unnecessary and irritating pedantry. As in a "Yes, we KNOW that it's not technically 100% accurate, please stop being annoying." sort of response. From my impression of your word choice and sentence structure, I'm making the assumption that you have autistic traits, which is why I'm explaining in more detail and on a social level.

rincebrain 5y ago
I appreciate you attempting to explain.
- wccrawford 5y ago
  FWIW, I don't think "it's marketing" is a valid excuse for them saying things that aren't true. It's not a "new kind of shell" because it's mimicking things that already exist. The author even knows about those things and cites them. I do not accept the idea that it's okay to make false claims to create a narrative, marketing or otherwise. And I'm not on the spectrum.