3 ms·

Indian Parsis are the "model minority" of India. They are rich, educated, charitable, and polite. Extremely low to non-existent crime rates. They serve in the

by truth_ 5y ago

Indian Parsis are the "model minority" of India. They are rich, educated, charitable, and polite. Extremely low to non-existent crime rates. They serve in the armed forces, active in academia and commerce. They are also quite highly involved in Bollywood.

ElViajero 5y ago
That is interesting because one characteristic feeds the other. The more rich and educated the more polite and lower rates of crime. The lower rates of crime the more prosper a society is. That is why it is so important to help people to get out of cycles of violence and crime.
- chakkepolja 5y ago
  It's also the result of culture. Some groups just value education more than others.
  - rocknor 5y ago
    BS, as if culture is something that is constant and does not evolve. It's more like a feedback loop. Culture influences results and results influence culture. Tip it the wrong way and it's hard to get out of a negative feedback loop.
- thiago_fm 5y ago
  It's a chicken and egg problem. If you grew up very poor and managed to make a lot of money, you likely know that people aren't violent or into crime because they like to do, but likely because they don't have money. The big question is how to make the economic market more inclusive. A lot of people are just out of good options and need to chose which bad affair they can commit to. Crime and violence is for many, a profession. I have friends which end up going to crime and they were very smart and able, the main issue was lack of opportunities and education. When I see some people talking about education as if it's some sort of choice, I gotta make that effort to tell them that it is not a choice, it has never been. It's a privilege. Wake up.
  - inglor_cz 5y ago
    "you likely know that people aren't violent or into crime because they like to do" Given how much is e.g. sexual violence widespread among the rich and powerful, I am not sure that some people aren't into violence for sick fun's sake. Lack of money makes everything worse, but let's not pretend that violence can be stomped out by prosperity.
  - truth_ 5y ago
    It is not entirely true that being poor always means higher affinity towards crime. Some group of people are more prone to crime than others. A huge number of refugees fled to India during 1946-1972 period from Bangladesh. And then again after Islamic fundemantalists gained power. They literally did not have anything. No house, no money, no food. They did not resort to crime. If they did, our state would have been rendered unlivable. Five decades later, they are one of the most affluent groups of people in the region. Government jobs, business, serving the armed forces, religious charity- you name it. It's true that the people who fled were both rich and poor, but very low percentage of them fed to the crime scene. On the other hand, there are other minorities in the region, who are poor and have criminal leanings. Not all poor groups of people are more crime-prone. Other societal factors play a role as well.
    - nindalf 5y ago
      I’ve flagged your comment for hate speech. You’ve tried to mask your bigotry with vague statements (“other minorities”) but I’ve met too many bigots in India to be fooled. Let’s analyse that claim shall we? You claim that a certain minority is more prone to committing crimes. Maybe that’s correct. With 21% of people in jail awaiting trial being members of that minority, there might be something to it. But when these people get their day in court, the charges don’t hold up. Only 16% of convicts are members of this minority. 16% is exactly what you’d expect from a minority that comprises 15% of the population (Source - https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/02/06/indias-police-are-overstretched-poorly-trained-and-politicised https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/02/06/indias-police-are-...). If you’re wondering why these folks are over represented in the jail population, it’s exactly because of bigotry like yours. A survey in 2019 found that 50% of Police in India think that Muslims are “naturally prone to committing crimes”. This bigotry becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
wtmt 5y ago
The largest and widely known example of rich, educated as well as influential is the Tata family [1] and Tata Group [2]. HN readers may be familiar with TCS (Tata Consultancy Services), Tata Motors, Tata Steel, and many other companies that are part of the Tata Group. The Tata family [1] is of Parsi origin. Comparatively, the Tata companies are also better and more reliable than rivals when it comes to corporate governance and ethics. [1]: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_family https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_family [2]: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group
sharadov 5y ago
Unfortunately, the Parsis as a community are dying out https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40628310 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40628310

by truth_ 5y ago

ElViajero 5y ago

That is interesting because one characteristic feeds the other. The more rich and educated the more polite and lower rates of crime. The lower rates of crime the more prosper a society is. That is why it is so important to help people to get out of cycles of violence and crime.

chakkepolja 5y ago
It's also the result of culture. Some groups just value education more than others.
- rocknor 5y ago
  BS, as if culture is something that is constant and does not evolve. It's more like a feedback loop. Culture influences results and results influence culture. Tip it the wrong way and it's hard to get out of a negative feedback loop.
thiago_fm 5y ago
It's a chicken and egg problem. If you grew up very poor and managed to make a lot of money, you likely know that people aren't violent or into crime because they like to do, but likely because they don't have money. The big question is how to make the economic market more inclusive. A lot of people are just out of good options and need to chose which bad affair they can commit to. Crime and violence is for many, a profession. I have friends which end up going to crime and they were very smart and able, the main issue was lack of opportunities and education. When I see some people talking about education as if it's some sort of choice, I gotta make that effort to tell them that it is not a choice, it has never been. It's a privilege. Wake up.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  "you likely know that people aren't violent or into crime because they like to do" Given how much is e.g. sexual violence widespread among the rich and powerful, I am not sure that some people aren't into violence for sick fun's sake. Lack of money makes everything worse, but let's not pretend that violence can be stomped out by prosperity.
- truth_ 5y ago
  It is not entirely true that being poor always means higher affinity towards crime. Some group of people are more prone to crime than others. A huge number of refugees fled to India during 1946-1972 period from Bangladesh. And then again after Islamic fundemantalists gained power. They literally did not have anything. No house, no money, no food. They did not resort to crime. If they did, our state would have been rendered unlivable. Five decades later, they are one of the most affluent groups of people in the region. Government jobs, business, serving the armed forces, religious charity- you name it. It's true that the people who fled were both rich and poor, but very low percentage of them fed to the crime scene. On the other hand, there are other minorities in the region, who are poor and have criminal leanings. Not all poor groups of people are more crime-prone. Other societal factors play a role as well.
  - nindalf 5y ago
    I’ve flagged your comment for hate speech. You’ve tried to mask your bigotry with vague statements (“other minorities”) but I’ve met too many bigots in India to be fooled. Let’s analyse that claim shall we? You claim that a certain minority is more prone to committing crimes. Maybe that’s correct. With 21% of people in jail awaiting trial being members of that minority, there might be something to it. But when these people get their day in court, the charges don’t hold up. Only 16% of convicts are members of this minority. 16% is exactly what you’d expect from a minority that comprises 15% of the population (Source - https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/02/06/indias-police-are-overstretched-poorly-trained-and-politicised https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/02/06/indias-police-are-...). If you’re wondering why these folks are over represented in the jail population, it’s exactly because of bigotry like yours. A survey in 2019 found that 50% of Police in India think that Muslims are “naturally prone to committing crimes”. This bigotry becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

wtmt 5y ago

The largest and widely known example of rich, educated as well as influential is the Tata family [1] and Tata Group [2]. HN readers may be familiar with TCS (Tata Consultancy Services), Tata Motors, Tata Steel, and many other companies that are part of the Tata Group. The Tata family [1] is of Parsi origin. Comparatively, the Tata companies are also better and more reliable than rivals when it comes to corporate governance and ethics. [1]: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_family https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_family [2]: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group

sharadov 5y ago

Unfortunately, the Parsis as a community are dying out https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40628310 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40628310