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No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharad

by ketzu 5y ago

No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharade or switch my OS). And it worked with windows out of the box. (I still had to configure some things on windows, but less than I usually configure with linux. Just setting up powershell properly was a bit more work as I didn't have a dotfile readily available.)

fsflover 5y ago
This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.
- ketzu 5y ago
  I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any ways, adding additional requirements like specifically picking hardware for it, makes it worse, not better for me. edit: I know people have very different experiences with various OSes, so the situation varies for everyone.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. It also means that no one guarantees that it will work with Linux. Linux community cannot support every possible hardware out there. > My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). This is just not true. This is a myth about Linux. Yes, generally it should work almost on any hardware. But in reality, you are likely to have problems with small things like WiFi stability or suspend, due to the proprietary drivers and closed specifications. Concerning Windows, it's the same: The drivers must be written specifically for this hardware in order for it to work flawlessly. The actual problem of Linux is the lack of retail hardware with preinstalled Linux. It's only available in a few online shops.
    - ketzu 5y ago
      > I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. You are right in the way that I was not aware that the hardware might have been designed for windows. Most devices are probably "designed for windows" (much more likely given its dominance compared to me just being lucky when picking parts for my computers for 15-20 years) so I would have to go out of my way to get linux specific hardware for no clear gain. In the moment of the original problem, adding a second monitor to an already running setup via DP chaining. Getting new hardware was the much less viable option compared to switching to an OS where I already own a license and which has drivers available that correclty implement the protocol. Lastly, the originally mentioned switch to windows was motivated by a hardware problem, but it was by no means my only annoyance with linux. For me windows is closer to the way I want my OS to behave, but it is by no means perfect. If I'll ever find myself in the situation that I want a linux computer specifically, I will keep your advice in mind to make sure to find compatible hardware! It is good to know that linux is much less flexible due to presisting bad driver support, even though it improved a lot since I first used a linux distribution.

by ketzu 5y ago

fsflover 5y ago

This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.

ketzu 5y ago
I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any ways, adding additional requirements like specifically picking hardware for it, makes it worse, not better for me. edit: I know people have very different experiences with various OSes, so the situation varies for everyone.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. It also means that no one guarantees that it will work with Linux. Linux community cannot support every possible hardware out there. > My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). This is just not true. This is a myth about Linux. Yes, generally it should work almost on any hardware. But in reality, you are likely to have problems with small things like WiFi stability or suspend, due to the proprietary drivers and closed specifications. Concerning Windows, it's the same: The drivers must be written specifically for this hardware in order for it to work flawlessly. The actual problem of Linux is the lack of retail hardware with preinstalled Linux. It's only available in a few online shops.
  - ketzu 5y ago
    > I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. You are right in the way that I was not aware that the hardware might have been designed for windows. Most devices are probably "designed for windows" (much more likely given its dominance compared to me just being lucky when picking parts for my computers for 15-20 years) so I would have to go out of my way to get linux specific hardware for no clear gain. In the moment of the original problem, adding a second monitor to an already running setup via DP chaining. Getting new hardware was the much less viable option compared to switching to an OS where I already own a license and which has drivers available that correclty implement the protocol. Lastly, the originally mentioned switch to windows was motivated by a hardware problem, but it was by no means my only annoyance with linux. For me windows is closer to the way I want my OS to behave, but it is by no means perfect. If I'll ever find myself in the situation that I want a linux computer specifically, I will keep your advice in mind to make sure to find compatible hardware! It is good to know that linux is much less flexible due to presisting bad driver support, even though it improved a lot since I first used a linux distribution.