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I see a conspicuous lack of ISPs in your list.

echelon 5y ago
Well, the solution to that is municipal fiber and a return to net neutrality. edit: while we're on that topic, I'm actually a little less concerned about that. Where I live I can get Comcast, Google Fiber, AT&T, Verizon, T Mobile, etc. Data caps are an issue, but they're nowhere near as bad as Apple telling me what I can and cannot run on their devices. Or Google swallowing the web with Chrome, Amp, ads, and the rest.
minikites 5y ago
ISPs should be run by governments, just like other utilities are or should be. Market forces don't make better infrastructure.
- vmception 5y ago
  The lack of market forces make no infrastructure “So lets improve municipal transportation options by putting a multipurpose device in everyone’s pockets that connects to this completely parallel wireless network, which is yet to be built, connected with high bandwidth cables underground - no it wont use the telephone poles why do you ask - and itll will have a random pricing scheme, so …. what does the county board think of how this fits in the budget?”
  - shigawire 5y ago
    The federal government has heavily subsidized internet infrastructure that in some cases was simply not completed. We don't have to chuck out private enterprise but I think we can crack the whip on the private companies squandering public funds.
  - minikites 5y ago
    Rural electrification never would have happened without government intervention because it's not profitable. That's how all infrastructure behaves and why it should be run by government for the benefit of every citizen. Your "example" does not reflect reality.
justcommentin 5y ago
ISPs are run really badly. I know ISPs, they are not run by the best and the brightest. They all wish they could do more with their access to networks and data but in reality, they just dont matter compared to Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon. ISP not the ones indexing all your info and using it to target you with ads. ISP not the one algorithmically censoring you. They are also not the ones building platforms, buying their competition (startups), putting small businesses out of work. No idea why people are so angry about ISPs - Dumb pipes for the most part.

Well, the solution to that is municipal fiber and a return to net neutrality. edit: while we're on that topic, I'm actually a little less concerned about that. Where I live I can get Comcast, Google Fiber, AT&T, Verizon, T Mobile, etc. Data caps are an issue, but they're nowhere near as bad as Apple telling me what I can and cannot run on their devices. Or Google swallowing the web with Chrome, Amp, ads, and the rest.

minikites 5y ago

ISPs should be run by governments, just like other utilities are or should be. Market forces don't make better infrastructure.

vmception 5y ago
The lack of market forces make no infrastructure “So lets improve municipal transportation options by putting a multipurpose device in everyone’s pockets that connects to this completely parallel wireless network, which is yet to be built, connected with high bandwidth cables underground - no it wont use the telephone poles why do you ask - and itll will have a random pricing scheme, so …. what does the county board think of how this fits in the budget?”
- shigawire 5y ago
  The federal government has heavily subsidized internet infrastructure that in some cases was simply not completed. We don't have to chuck out private enterprise but I think we can crack the whip on the private companies squandering public funds.
- minikites 5y ago
  Rural electrification never would have happened without government intervention because it's not profitable. That's how all infrastructure behaves and why it should be run by government for the benefit of every citizen. Your "example" does not reflect reality.

justcommentin 5y ago

ISPs are run really badly. I know ISPs, they are not run by the best and the brightest. They all wish they could do more with their access to networks and data but in reality, they just dont matter compared to Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon. ISP not the ones indexing all your info and using it to target you with ads. ISP not the one algorithmically censoring you. They are also not the ones building platforms, buying their competition (startups), putting small businesses out of work. No idea why people are so angry about ISPs - Dumb pipes for the most part.