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> I'm not talking about renting an apartment, or getting a loan, or opening a bank account. > I'm talking about new acquaintances. I'm under no obligation to

by mdoms 5y ago

> I'm not talking about renting an apartment, or getting a loan, or opening a bank account. > I'm talking about new acquaintances. I'm under no obligation to deal or acquaint with a proven dishonest criminal. I have no tolerance for criminals. I find those who do often have not been the victim of crime before.

haswell 5y ago
Ah, but you immediately assume the crime was a crime of dishonesty, or ?. Are you saying that no matter the crime, regardless its nature, you would reject a person outright? What about a "criminal" who served time for marijuana related "crimes"? Are you also saying that a crime committed should equal a lifetime of payment, even after the official debt has been paid to society? That no matter the degree of criminality, the punishment should be eternal?
- mdoms 5y ago
  OP has posted about his crime. He stole and used customer credit cards. > That no matter the degree of criminality, the punishment should be eternal? Absolutely not, I think America's justice system is overly punitive. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to give some criminal a job or a loan, now or ever.
  - haswell 5y ago
    > or ever So you get to decide if he has to pay eternally.
    - mdoms 5y ago
      I get to decide who I associate with. I'm flattered that you believe I have the power to dictate the direction of a convict's entire life, but I'm afraid that's not the case.
      - mgkimsal 5y ago
        would you vote for/support laws that would extend punishments? you personally don't have the power to 'dictate' on your own, but we all vote in people who nominally represent our views on these sorts of topics.
        mdoms 5y ago
        No I wouldn't.
      - scotty79 5y ago
        If you are offering some product or service to customers you are not 100% free to decide if the customer deserves your service. Otherwise you could refuse to service black people or gay people or atheists or ex convicts or whatever group gets piled up on by the society at the moment. Privately you should have the full freedom to choose who you associate with though.
elliekelly 5y ago
Do you believe people, even young people, are inherently incapable of changing for the better? Is there anything a criminal could do to redeem themselves in your eyes?
megablast 5y ago
You have no idea how many of your friends or relatives are crims.

by mdoms 5y ago

haswell 5y ago

Ah, but you immediately assume the crime was a crime of dishonesty, or ?. Are you saying that no matter the crime, regardless its nature, you would reject a person outright? What about a "criminal" who served time for marijuana related "crimes"? Are you also saying that a crime committed should equal a lifetime of payment, even after the official debt has been paid to society? That no matter the degree of criminality, the punishment should be eternal?

mdoms 5y ago
OP has posted about his crime. He stole and used customer credit cards. > That no matter the degree of criminality, the punishment should be eternal? Absolutely not, I think America's justice system is overly punitive. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to give some criminal a job or a loan, now or ever.
- haswell 5y ago
  > or ever So you get to decide if he has to pay eternally.
  - mdoms 5y ago
    I get to decide who I associate with. I'm flattered that you believe I have the power to dictate the direction of a convict's entire life, but I'm afraid that's not the case.
    - mgkimsal 5y ago
      would you vote for/support laws that would extend punishments? you personally don't have the power to 'dictate' on your own, but we all vote in people who nominally represent our views on these sorts of topics.
      - mdoms 5y ago
        No I wouldn't.
    - scotty79 5y ago
      If you are offering some product or service to customers you are not 100% free to decide if the customer deserves your service. Otherwise you could refuse to service black people or gay people or atheists or ex convicts or whatever group gets piled up on by the society at the moment. Privately you should have the full freedom to choose who you associate with though.

elliekelly 5y ago

Do you believe people, even young people, are inherently incapable of changing for the better? Is there anything a criminal could do to redeem themselves in your eyes?

megablast 5y ago

You have no idea how many of your friends or relatives are crims.