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It is simply not true. Iranian nationalism was front and center on the glory of Achaemenids. Period. In fact the only time that Zoroastrian religion has been us
by eternalban 5y ago
It is simply not true. Iranian nationalism was front and center on the glory of Achaemenids. Period. In fact the only time that Zoroastrian religion has been used to prop up a state and sense of nationality in Iran was the 3rd Persian empire, so the article misses the target by about 2000 years. It was the Sassanid kings that needed religion to revive a sense of Iran after Hellenic rule, and also to gain legitimacy because they overthrew the Parthian dynasty.
> Perhaps as a result of the sponsorship of the Pahlavis, nearly every Iranian I've met outside Iran (including many who lived there before 1979) have good understanding of Zoroastrianism's role in Iran's history and culture - and a reason why many people in post-Islamic Iran have liberal values despite living under a theocracy.
Zoroastrians are not "liberal". No religion with priests can ever be "liberal". It's the original religion with a zillion rules of dos and donts.
Iranians are liberal because that is our nature. Because our poets constantly drill it in to our national psyche to be tolerent, generous, think of others, etc. Was Saadi a Zoroastrian? Ferdosi? Hafiz? Attar? Rumi? Khayam? Even illiterate Iranians can recite chapter and verse from the literally wealth of our nation.
The first "theocracy" in Iran was, as a matter of historic fact, the Sassanid Empire. And the original Ayatollahs of Iran were called Mobed Mobedan. _ALL_ of instances of extreme intolerance in Iran have happened during periods when the -clergy- was powerful and involved in matters of state. First time around was in the decidedly Zoroastrian Sassanid empire, and then after that so-and-so :) Shah Abbas II divided the state between Court and Mosque, under Shia Mullahs, which is how the Mullahs came to have so much power in Iran.
(Read "Religious developments")
https://www.britannica.com/topic/mobedan-mobed https://www.britannica.com/topic/mobedan-mobed
[https://iranicaonline.org/articles/borzmehr-pahlavi-lit https://iranicaonline.org/articles/borzmehr-pahlavi-lit]
Pay attention there to a man named Ferdosi. We got our history from him. The -ludicrous- notion that Iranians were unaware of our history and heritage of Zartosht until some Zoroastrians from India came to instruct us is just too much.
Read all about the "liberal" treatment of Christians in a theocratic Iran ("II. The Persecution of Bahram V"):
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Introduction_to_the_History_of_the_Assyrian_Church/Chapter_6 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Introduction_to_the_Histor...
> Persia had a significant influence on Islam even before the Arab conquest of Persia, evidenced by the Persian loanwords in Arabic [1]. It's hard to imagine how Persian culture wouldn't have had a huge influence on Islam inside Persia itself.
Of course. Iran has had a huge impact in history and all sort of matters. And yes, Allah uses a Persian word to name Paradise and he even calls ITself "Ahura-Mazda" (in Arabic, naturally :)
- selimthegrim 5y agoIran was majority Sunni until Safavids finished with them. Probably mausoleums of Shehrbano and guy who killed Hz. Umar also bolstered the “case”
- yazaddaruvala 5y ago> Zoroastrians are not "liberal". No religion with priests can ever be "liberal". It's the original religion with a zillion rules of dos and donts. I don't know about ancient things, but I can say being raised Zoroastrian I was never, ever given a rule worded with a "don't". Do good deeds - Yes Do say good words - Yes Do think good thoughts - Yes I was never (based on religious reasons) asked to not drink or smoke or be a glutton, etc. I'd find it hard to imagine you would even find such a "rule", let alone "zillion".
- eternalban 5y agoWell, what can I say. Sign of the times. /g You know, you can pick random Jews, Christians, and Muslims (myself included) who'll tell you a variation on the same religious rigor in their families. But the guidance and teachings of the prophet Zartosht are not a 3 line self-help pamphlet. After all, what is "good"? How do you make this determination? To be a follower of Zartosht, means signing on to the cosmic battle between Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman. To aid in the "Renovation of the Creation". So to sum up, yes, I believe you, and thus consider that your "religion" is basically no different than the "religion" of your contemporary Jew, Christian, or Muslim, and thus not really worth making a distinction about. How is that for a good thought?
- danans 5y ago> To be a follower of Zartosht, means signing on to the cosmic battle between Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman. That's pretty ridiculous on it's face. It is no more true than the claim that all Muslims are obliged to put the infidel to the sword or subjugation if they don't convert to Islam, or that Hindus are obliged to adhere to the idea that they are polluted if a lower caste person's shadow falls on them, or likewise for any religion. > How is that for a good thought? As a rule, anonymous targeted sarcasm on the Internet is never a good thought.