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Law is reasonable then. You track your user, you notify them . I fail to see the problem. Then again, I am not running shady websites and selling user data

kortilla 5y ago
Yes, very reasonable. Gdpr pop ups on nearly every site with dark patterns making it annoying to opt out. A resounding success.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  Once again, those popups are illegal under GDPR. So yes, it's a failure of law enforcement, but doesn't make the law itself unreasonable.
  - kortilla 5y ago
    If a law is realistically unenforceable then it’s unreasonable. A law that requires some agency in Europe to police all of the websites around the world is pretty fucking stupid.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > If a law is realistically unenforceable then it’s unreasonable. It is enforceable, and there have already been fines. > A law that requires some agency in Europe to police all of the websites No, they are not going to police every website in the world. Once again, if it 6 years later you still couldn't read and understand a rather reasonably written law with multiple explanations and examples, you are a part of the problem.
      - nickpp 5y ago
        After 6 years, Google itself (which has all the lawyers and engineers it needs) has resorted to the same f-ing ugly cookie popup everyone else is using. The problem is the law. It's a crappy law.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Google itself (which has all the lawyers and engineers it needs) has resorted to the same f-ing ugly cookie popup Because Google is in the business of dark patterns and wholesale data collection. They couldn't care less about user privacy. Besides, their entire system is built on the premise of wholesale data collection. Their own engineers admit that they don't know how and where the data is collected and de-google their phones. [1] > The problem is the law. It's a crappy law. As I'm saying, you are a part of the problem. [1] https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1398353211220807682 https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1398353211220807682
        nickpp 5y ago
        Yeah, sure, everybody else is part of the problem. Everybody except those who created the problem in the first place. Are they gonna sue every single website who had to put up a cookie popup just because they run analytics?
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Everybody except those who created the problem in the first place. For over a decade there have been laws in each country protecting people's private data. Companies kept on ignoring those laws. The countries came together and created a single law for the entirety of the EU. The essence of the law: - if you need some data for the functionality of your service, you can collect it - if you don't need some data for the functionality of your service, you can't collect it unless you explicitly ask the person. And "opt out" has to be the default option, and cannot stop the person from using the service How is that a problem? Those popups? Yes, they are annoying, but they also show how every single website sells the data they don't need to hundreds of companies without your consent. And they keep trying to trick you into providing that data. Now this is a problem. However, you think that it's all fine, everyone should just hoover up all the data they can possibly get their hands on. > Are they gonna sue every single website who had to put up a cookie popup just because they run analytics? Yes, theoretically they have the authority to do that. However, no, they are not going to do that. And no, that doesn't mean that the law is bad.
      - kortilla 5y ago
        > Once again, if it 6 years later you still couldn't read and understand a rather reasonably written law with multiple explanations and examples, you are a part of the problem. It’s not reasonable if it’s written in a way that’s so easy to misinterpret. People still don’t understand - shit law. OR People do understand and implement bad pop-ups and EU doesn’t enforce - shit law. A law that is not enforced or has been written in a way that isn’t reasonable to enforce is absolutely a shitty law. Pie in the sky laws that have no teeth are worse than no law at all. It just gives room for lots of selective enforcement which is a great way to encourage corruption and shakedown schemes.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  It should be opt in actually as per GDPR. But I agree they should police that a lot more.

kortilla 5y ago

Yes, very reasonable. Gdpr pop ups on nearly every site with dark patterns making it annoying to opt out. A resounding success.

dmitriid 5y ago
Once again, those popups are illegal under GDPR. So yes, it's a failure of law enforcement, but doesn't make the law itself unreasonable.
- kortilla 5y ago
  If a law is realistically unenforceable then it’s unreasonable. A law that requires some agency in Europe to police all of the websites around the world is pretty fucking stupid.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > If a law is realistically unenforceable then it’s unreasonable. It is enforceable, and there have already been fines. > A law that requires some agency in Europe to police all of the websites No, they are not going to police every website in the world. Once again, if it 6 years later you still couldn't read and understand a rather reasonably written law with multiple explanations and examples, you are a part of the problem.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      After 6 years, Google itself (which has all the lawyers and engineers it needs) has resorted to the same f-ing ugly cookie popup everyone else is using. The problem is the law. It's a crappy law.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > Google itself (which has all the lawyers and engineers it needs) has resorted to the same f-ing ugly cookie popup Because Google is in the business of dark patterns and wholesale data collection. They couldn't care less about user privacy. Besides, their entire system is built on the premise of wholesale data collection. Their own engineers admit that they don't know how and where the data is collected and de-google their phones. [1] > The problem is the law. It's a crappy law. As I'm saying, you are a part of the problem. [1] https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1398353211220807682 https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1398353211220807682
        nickpp 5y ago
        Yeah, sure, everybody else is part of the problem. Everybody except those who created the problem in the first place. Are they gonna sue every single website who had to put up a cookie popup just because they run analytics?
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Everybody except those who created the problem in the first place. For over a decade there have been laws in each country protecting people's private data. Companies kept on ignoring those laws. The countries came together and created a single law for the entirety of the EU. The essence of the law: - if you need some data for the functionality of your service, you can collect it - if you don't need some data for the functionality of your service, you can't collect it unless you explicitly ask the person. And "opt out" has to be the default option, and cannot stop the person from using the service How is that a problem? Those popups? Yes, they are annoying, but they also show how every single website sells the data they don't need to hundreds of companies without your consent. And they keep trying to trick you into providing that data. Now this is a problem. However, you think that it's all fine, everyone should just hoover up all the data they can possibly get their hands on. > Are they gonna sue every single website who had to put up a cookie popup just because they run analytics? Yes, theoretically they have the authority to do that. However, no, they are not going to do that. And no, that doesn't mean that the law is bad.
    - kortilla 5y ago
      > Once again, if it 6 years later you still couldn't read and understand a rather reasonably written law with multiple explanations and examples, you are a part of the problem. It’s not reasonable if it’s written in a way that’s so easy to misinterpret. People still don’t understand - shit law. OR People do understand and implement bad pop-ups and EU doesn’t enforce - shit law. A law that is not enforced or has been written in a way that isn’t reasonable to enforce is absolutely a shitty law. Pie in the sky laws that have no teeth are worse than no law at all. It just gives room for lots of selective enforcement which is a great way to encourage corruption and shakedown schemes.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
It should be opt in actually as per GDPR. But I agree they should police that a lot more.