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OMG. With that much knowledge and creativity clearly you must be a terrorist. Or someone who grew up way back when the official US government policy was that ki

OMG. With that much knowledge and creativity clearly you must be a terrorist. Or someone who grew up way back when the official US government policy was that kids should learn hands-on Science and Math. In any case, you do something like that today you will frighten the living daylights out of enough technically-illiterate-but-powerful people that you will not get out of jail for a long long time, regardless of whether or not there is any reasonable justification for it.

asciilifeform 15y ago
Put it together correctly, and there will be no visible pyrotechnics. Just a USB stick which mysteriously fails to mount. AFAIK, most police agencies will not attempt chip-level data forensics, and perhaps no one will take the trouble to pry the stick open. Know that any serious electronics tinkerer could come up with many tricks far more clever than this one. And once again, one ought to compare the sentence for evidence destruction to that which your original crimes carry.
- marshray 15y ago
  I don't think you can confine the energy you're talking about in the space of a USB stick without releasing some heat, light, noise, and/or smoke. The people handling your evidence are pretty sharp. Once they notice anything funny, your "device" will be sent off to their bomb lab. They will have first-rate capabilities and, given the infrequency of actual bombs in the US, they'll probably have plenty of interested experts on hand. There's a good chance that guy writing the report advising the judge of what you've done earned most of his hands-on experience with IEDs in Iraq. I know you're not intending anything malicious, I'm just trying to explain to you the seriousness of what you're proposing. I am a serious electronics tinkerer though and I find the idea of a secure-wipe facility interesting. You really want to look for ways to do it that don't set off any red flags. Here's a good standard: If you wanted to productize such a device would you be able to get Underwriters' Laboratories to (UL) to safety certify it for use in the home?
  - asciilifeform 15y ago
    > I don't think you can confine the energy you're talking about in the space of a USB stick It is very much possible to incinerate a chip die within a compact, hermetically-sealed container without releasing smoke or other tell-tale signs. The US and other wealthy nations' armies use self-contained modules like this in their encrypted radio equipment. Plus, if you need more room, you can mimic an external USB hard drive rather than a keychain drive. > I'm just trying to explain to you the seriousness of what you're proposing It is true that if your handiwork produces smoke, flame, noise, etc. I do not envy your fate. If it happens during arrest, the police might even shoot you. But if, on the other hand, nothing suspicious is seen when your equipment is seized, and weeks later detectives discover a few grams of molten slag where an EEPROM chip should be, I doubt you will be tried for having set off an illicit bomb. You will still go to jail. A reason will be found to put you there - it isn't hard. "Give me six lines written by the most honest man..." Perhaps it only makes sense to rehearse and plan for this data-destruction scenario if you possess secrets that remain important apart from any criminal case against you. > If you wanted to productize such a device would you be able to get Underwriters' Laboratories to (UL) to safety certify it for use in the home? This is very much the wrong question to ask. Something like this can never become a consumer product. The government would never permit it to be openly sold, regardless of any safety considerations. If you view law enforcement officials as your enemy, using unmodified off-the-shelf equipment, regardless of its rarity and expense, is simply stupid. Back doors are a near-certainty. And the only way I know of to securely and unambiguously wipe large amounts of data on short notice is combustion.
    - marshray 15y ago
      It is very much possible to incinerate a chip die within a compact, hermetically-sealed container without releasing smoke or other tell-tale signs. Yes I know it is. I just don't think you are going to homebrew it out of model rocket igniters and magnesium ribbon. The US and other wealthy nations' armies use self-contained modules like this in their encrypted radio equipment. And they're not going to jail for releasing smoke in a federal crime lab. If you view law enforcement officials as your enemy, using unmodified off-the-shelf equipment, regardless of its rarity and expense, is simply stupid. The great majority of the off-the-shelf equipment is not even designed or made in the US. It's used by the US govt as much as anybody else. Back doors are a near-certainty. Really? Name three hidden back doors from the US government. I can only think of one or two, making them pretty rare. Sometimes back doors are found, so it's not that nobody's looking: http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110707_5612.php http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110707_5612.php And the only way I know of to securely and unambiguously wipe large amounts of data on short notice is combustion. Which is why I don't think you're going to do anything except dig yourself deeper.

asciilifeform 15y ago

Put it together correctly, and there will be no visible pyrotechnics. Just a USB stick which mysteriously fails to mount. AFAIK, most police agencies will not attempt chip-level data forensics, and perhaps no one will take the trouble to pry the stick open. Know that any serious electronics tinkerer could come up with many tricks far more clever than this one. And once again, one ought to compare the sentence for evidence destruction to that which your original crimes carry.

marshray 15y ago
I don't think you can confine the energy you're talking about in the space of a USB stick without releasing some heat, light, noise, and/or smoke. The people handling your evidence are pretty sharp. Once they notice anything funny, your "device" will be sent off to their bomb lab. They will have first-rate capabilities and, given the infrequency of actual bombs in the US, they'll probably have plenty of interested experts on hand. There's a good chance that guy writing the report advising the judge of what you've done earned most of his hands-on experience with IEDs in Iraq. I know you're not intending anything malicious, I'm just trying to explain to you the seriousness of what you're proposing. I am a serious electronics tinkerer though and I find the idea of a secure-wipe facility interesting. You really want to look for ways to do it that don't set off any red flags. Here's a good standard: If you wanted to productize such a device would you be able to get Underwriters' Laboratories to (UL) to safety certify it for use in the home?
- asciilifeform 15y ago
  > I don't think you can confine the energy you're talking about in the space of a USB stick It is very much possible to incinerate a chip die within a compact, hermetically-sealed container without releasing smoke or other tell-tale signs. The US and other wealthy nations' armies use self-contained modules like this in their encrypted radio equipment. Plus, if you need more room, you can mimic an external USB hard drive rather than a keychain drive. > I'm just trying to explain to you the seriousness of what you're proposing It is true that if your handiwork produces smoke, flame, noise, etc. I do not envy your fate. If it happens during arrest, the police might even shoot you. But if, on the other hand, nothing suspicious is seen when your equipment is seized, and weeks later detectives discover a few grams of molten slag where an EEPROM chip should be, I doubt you will be tried for having set off an illicit bomb. You will still go to jail. A reason will be found to put you there - it isn't hard. "Give me six lines written by the most honest man..." Perhaps it only makes sense to rehearse and plan for this data-destruction scenario if you possess secrets that remain important apart from any criminal case against you. > If you wanted to productize such a device would you be able to get Underwriters' Laboratories to (UL) to safety certify it for use in the home? This is very much the wrong question to ask. Something like this can never become a consumer product. The government would never permit it to be openly sold, regardless of any safety considerations. If you view law enforcement officials as your enemy, using unmodified off-the-shelf equipment, regardless of its rarity and expense, is simply stupid. Back doors are a near-certainty. And the only way I know of to securely and unambiguously wipe large amounts of data on short notice is combustion.
  - marshray 15y ago
    It is very much possible to incinerate a chip die within a compact, hermetically-sealed container without releasing smoke or other tell-tale signs. Yes I know it is. I just don't think you are going to homebrew it out of model rocket igniters and magnesium ribbon. The US and other wealthy nations' armies use self-contained modules like this in their encrypted radio equipment. And they're not going to jail for releasing smoke in a federal crime lab. If you view law enforcement officials as your enemy, using unmodified off-the-shelf equipment, regardless of its rarity and expense, is simply stupid. The great majority of the off-the-shelf equipment is not even designed or made in the US. It's used by the US govt as much as anybody else. Back doors are a near-certainty. Really? Name three hidden back doors from the US government. I can only think of one or two, making them pretty rare. Sometimes back doors are found, so it's not that nobody's looking: http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110707_5612.php http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110707_5612.php And the only way I know of to securely and unambiguously wipe large amounts of data on short notice is combustion. Which is why I don't think you're going to do anything except dig yourself deeper.