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I'm not sure why so many people jump to calling members of these groups "script kiddies" -- perhaps because it's in the vogue and makes one feel more important

I'm not sure why so many people jump to calling members of these groups "script kiddies" -- perhaps because it's in the vogue and makes one feel more important than others? It's been shown that a few of the 0days these guys are using are from their own findings. A handful of members of different groups (of Antisec fame and some not) seem to take great interest in cryptography, reverse engineering, etc. As immature as their ways may be, as misguided as their goals may seem to you, they're not certainly not script kiddies and they're certainly pretty clever if they've managed to not get caught yet.

trotsky 15y ago
Lol, wait what? Which 0-days has it been shown they're using, let alone ones they developed themselves? I think the phrase here is citation needed. If you're using private zero days to break into systems you're almost assuredly not telling anyone about them - and the flip side is probably true as well.
- lwat 15y ago
  So unless you are using zero-days you are a script kiddy?
  - trotsky 15y ago
    Nope definitely not, there is a wide gulf between the two. It's just if they were using their own zero days then it'd be pretty obvious that I was wrong.