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I think it's in France where names are not published until after the person has been found guilty. If you're innocent until proven guilty then your name should

I think it's in France where names are not published until after the person has been found guilty. If you're innocent until proven guilty then your name should be withheld until then as well. Imagine the guys who are maliciously fingered for sexual child abuse and end up being entirely cleared but their life is screwed from then on.

Archelaos 5y ago
In my country, Germany, the media are only allowed to publish the name of a convict in cases of grave crime or when the crime is of special concern to the public. In minor cases the right of personality outweighs the public's right to information.
- gwbas1c 5y ago
  In the US, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech. It's very difficult to legally prohibit anyone from publishing anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_... This why, btw, US news has so many lies. It's nearly impossible to regulate the media unless there is a constitutional change.
  - konaraddi 5y ago
    Germany’s constitution also guarantees freedom of speech. Both the US and Germany have exceptions. For Germany - https://www.loc.gov/law/help/freedom-expression/germany.php https://www.loc.gov/law/help/freedom-expression/germany.php For the US - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex...
    - throw_m239339 5y ago
      > Germany’s constitution also guarantees freedom of speech. Both the US and Germany have exceptions. No it does not. > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. There is absolutely no equivalent to this in the German constitution or anywhere else on the planet, the way it is phrased, applied and uphold by the US supreme court.
      - bmn__ 5y ago
        >> Both the US and Germany have exceptions. > No it does not. Bold claim. How does one square it with the exceptions documented in the article linked in GP's post?
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      - pwdisswordfish8 5y ago
        I guess that's technically true. No other country's laws can restrict the kinds of laws the US Congress can make.
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    - seb1204 5y ago
      The better way to summarise would be to say that the Grundgesetz guarantees the freedom of expressing your opinion and views. It does not protect you when making false claims or lying.
throw_m239339 5y ago
> I think it's in France where names are not published until after the person has been found guilty. Yes, and it just led to french people assuming all petty crimes were committed by people from african/arabic descent. It didn't make French society less racist. And the media almost never follow up on crime anyway, they never publish judgements. It perpetuated stereotypes even more . And the gag order on the press has been mainly to used to cover up corruption cases related to elected officials, nothing more. Also it's not uncommon the press publishes the legal immigration status of a suspect or even their country of origin alongside whether the suspect already has a record or not.
- seb1204 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing this side to the story.

Archelaos 5y ago

In my country, Germany, the media are only allowed to publish the name of a convict in cases of grave crime or when the crime is of special concern to the public. In minor cases the right of personality outweighs the public's right to information.

gwbas1c 5y ago
In the US, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech. It's very difficult to legally prohibit anyone from publishing anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_... This why, btw, US news has so many lies. It's nearly impossible to regulate the media unless there is a constitutional change.
- konaraddi 5y ago
  Germany’s constitution also guarantees freedom of speech. Both the US and Germany have exceptions. For Germany - https://www.loc.gov/law/help/freedom-expression/germany.php https://www.loc.gov/law/help/freedom-expression/germany.php For the US - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex...
  - throw_m239339 5y ago
    > Germany’s constitution also guarantees freedom of speech. Both the US and Germany have exceptions. No it does not. > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. There is absolutely no equivalent to this in the German constitution or anywhere else on the planet, the way it is phrased, applied and uphold by the US supreme court.
    - bmn__ 5y ago
      >> Both the US and Germany have exceptions. > No it does not. Bold claim. How does one square it with the exceptions documented in the article linked in GP's post?
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    - pwdisswordfish8 5y ago
      I guess that's technically true. No other country's laws can restrict the kinds of laws the US Congress can make.
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      [deleted]
  - seb1204 5y ago
    The better way to summarise would be to say that the Grundgesetz guarantees the freedom of expressing your opinion and views. It does not protect you when making false claims or lying.

throw_m239339 5y ago

> I think it's in France where names are not published until after the person has been found guilty. Yes, and it just led to french people assuming all petty crimes were committed by people from african/arabic descent. It didn't make French society less racist. And the media almost never follow up on crime anyway, they never publish judgements. It perpetuated stereotypes even more . And the gag order on the press has been mainly to used to cover up corruption cases related to elected officials, nothing more. Also it's not uncommon the press publishes the legal immigration status of a suspect or even their country of origin alongside whether the suspect already has a record or not.

seb1204 5y ago
Thanks for sharing this side to the story.