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Millions of people were killed by fascist regimes. Many, if not most, funded and supplied by the US gov't.

by whydoibother 5y ago

throwaway6734 5y ago
Which of them compare to the atrocities committed by Stalin and mao?
- whydoibother 5y ago
  WW2 (Nazis are fascists) Indonesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide El Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_... I can go on. And these are just the individual incidents we know about. Who knows how much suffering and death happened as a direct result of the destabilization of the global south.
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    How did the US aid Nazis during the war? All of these incidents are bad, but none still compare to the mass deaths under Stalin and Mao
    - LatteLazy 5y ago
      I'm just gonna poke the bear by pointing out that IBM supplied the computers for the holocaust. Just one example of trade... No one is saying Mao and Stalin were great guys. They're just pointing out that "anyone on the right no matter how terrible" isn't a better choice than "anyone on the left no matter how reasonable". And that's without getting into whether any country should involve itself in other people's elections at all...
      - throwaway6734 5y ago
        Of course there were mal actors but there's a clear difference between the level of support and involvement. Stalin and Maos policies lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people. My main point with all of this is to put into context how horrifying the threat of the spread of Communism was. I think the actions taken at the time by the CIA need to be viewed through this lens.
        cholantesh 5y ago
        Mao and Stalin both managed to elevate the standard of living of their respective nations significantly during their lives. If you had engaged with history instead of VCF propaganda, you would have realised this.
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        And their policies resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people
        whydoibother 5y ago
        It is easy to talk about this over 100 years. But that also conveniently lets us ignore that the US was founded on the backs of chattel slavery. Turns out lots of forms of governments can hurt people. But at least the communists/socialists raised all ships, whereas the racist policies of our 'democratic' government only raised a few.
        dang 5y ago
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    - whydoibother 5y ago
      Dulles brothers laundered money for the nazis during the war. Allen went on to secretly negotiate for surrender of Nazi/SS troops, who were then protected from prosecution and used for Gladio and later ratlined out to South America to train death squads. To your second point: no. You aren’t the arbiter of what qualifies as an atrocity or not. Go tell the countless people in Latin America that their continued torture and suffering isn’t a big deal, cause hey at least they aren’t in a Russian gulag. You are as deranged as our government if you truly think that.

Millions of people were killed by fascist regimes. Many, if not most, funded and supplied by the US gov't.

throwaway6734 5y ago

Which of them compare to the atrocities committed by Stalin and mao?

whydoibother 5y ago
WW2 (Nazis are fascists) Indonesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide El Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_... I can go on. And these are just the individual incidents we know about. Who knows how much suffering and death happened as a direct result of the destabilization of the global south.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  How did the US aid Nazis during the war? All of these incidents are bad, but none still compare to the mass deaths under Stalin and Mao
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    I'm just gonna poke the bear by pointing out that IBM supplied the computers for the holocaust. Just one example of trade... No one is saying Mao and Stalin were great guys. They're just pointing out that "anyone on the right no matter how terrible" isn't a better choice than "anyone on the left no matter how reasonable". And that's without getting into whether any country should involve itself in other people's elections at all...
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      Of course there were mal actors but there's a clear difference between the level of support and involvement. Stalin and Maos policies lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people. My main point with all of this is to put into context how horrifying the threat of the spread of Communism was. I think the actions taken at the time by the CIA need to be viewed through this lens.
      - cholantesh 5y ago
        Mao and Stalin both managed to elevate the standard of living of their respective nations significantly during their lives. If you had engaged with history instead of VCF propaganda, you would have realised this.
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        And their policies resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people
        whydoibother 5y ago
        It is easy to talk about this over 100 years. But that also conveniently lets us ignore that the US was founded on the backs of chattel slavery. Turns out lots of forms of governments can hurt people. But at least the communists/socialists raised all ships, whereas the racist policies of our 'democratic' government only raised a few.
        dang 5y ago
        We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. That's against the site guidelines because it destroys this place for its intended purpose—and for that reason, we ban accounts that do it, regardless of which politics/ideology they're battling for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - whydoibother 5y ago
    Dulles brothers laundered money for the nazis during the war. Allen went on to secretly negotiate for surrender of Nazi/SS troops, who were then protected from prosecution and used for Gladio and later ratlined out to South America to train death squads. To your second point: no. You aren’t the arbiter of what qualifies as an atrocity or not. Go tell the countless people in Latin America that their continued torture and suffering isn’t a big deal, cause hey at least they aren’t in a Russian gulag. You are as deranged as our government if you truly think that.