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Are you going to play ignorant about the fact that the CIA recruited former Nazis to suppress socialist movements in Europe, without the permission of the state

Are you going to play ignorant about the fact that the CIA recruited former Nazis to suppress socialist movements in Europe, without the permission of the states they ran this operation in?

throwaway6734 5y ago
What's the relation? Nazis are terrible but after WW2 they posed significantly less of a threat than Soviet communists. Soviet and Chinese communists might not have been as evil as Nazis, but they sure were close
- whydoibother 5y ago
  The fact that you think it was okay for the US to support former SS officers illegally operating in countries and later used to train South American death squads in torture techniques, all because 'commies are bad', shows how deranged you are. What the US has done in the name of anticommunism dwarfs any evils done by communism.
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    Millions of people were killed by communist regimes
    - whydoibother 5y ago
      Millions of people were killed by fascist regimes. Many, if not most, funded and supplied by the US gov't.
      - throwaway6734 5y ago
        Which of them compare to the atrocities committed by Stalin and mao?
        whydoibother 5y ago
        WW2 (Nazis are fascists) Indonesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide El Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_... I can go on. And these are just the individual incidents we know about. Who knows how much suffering and death happened as a direct result of the destabilization of the global south.
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        How did the US aid Nazis during the war? All of these incidents are bad, but none still compare to the mass deaths under Stalin and Mao
        LatteLazy 5y ago
        I'm just gonna poke the bear by pointing out that IBM supplied the computers for the holocaust. Just one example of trade... No one is saying Mao and Stalin were great guys. They're just pointing out that "anyone on the right no matter how terrible" isn't a better choice than "anyone on the left no matter how reasonable". And that's without getting into whether any country should involve itself in other people's elections at all...
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        Of course there were mal actors but there's a clear difference between the level of support and involvement. Stalin and Maos policies lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people. My main point with all of this is to put into context how horrifying the threat of the spread of Communism was. I think the actions taken at the time by the CIA need to be viewed through this lens.

Are you going to play ignorant about the fact that the CIA recruited former Nazis to suppress socialist movements in Europe, without the permission of the states they ran this operation in?

throwaway6734 5y ago

What's the relation? Nazis are terrible but after WW2 they posed significantly less of a threat than Soviet communists. Soviet and Chinese communists might not have been as evil as Nazis, but they sure were close

whydoibother 5y ago
The fact that you think it was okay for the US to support former SS officers illegally operating in countries and later used to train South American death squads in torture techniques, all because 'commies are bad', shows how deranged you are. What the US has done in the name of anticommunism dwarfs any evils done by communism.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  Millions of people were killed by communist regimes
  - whydoibother 5y ago
    Millions of people were killed by fascist regimes. Many, if not most, funded and supplied by the US gov't.
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      Which of them compare to the atrocities committed by Stalin and mao?
      - whydoibother 5y ago
        WW2 (Nazis are fascists) Indonesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide El Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_... I can go on. And these are just the individual incidents we know about. Who knows how much suffering and death happened as a direct result of the destabilization of the global south.
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        How did the US aid Nazis during the war? All of these incidents are bad, but none still compare to the mass deaths under Stalin and Mao
        LatteLazy 5y ago
        I'm just gonna poke the bear by pointing out that IBM supplied the computers for the holocaust. Just one example of trade... No one is saying Mao and Stalin were great guys. They're just pointing out that "anyone on the right no matter how terrible" isn't a better choice than "anyone on the left no matter how reasonable". And that's without getting into whether any country should involve itself in other people's elections at all...
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        Of course there were mal actors but there's a clear difference between the level of support and involvement. Stalin and Maos policies lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people. My main point with all of this is to put into context how horrifying the threat of the spread of Communism was. I think the actions taken at the time by the CIA need to be viewed through this lens.