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> Can you imagine That's kinda the point. If it's culturally acceptable for this to be normal behavior, then yes, people _would_ accommodate such disruptions.

jandrese 5y ago
It is hard to imagine anything ever getting anything big done with this kind of attitude. If you have a project were one part being late holds up the rest of the project--which is most of them--an attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.
- coryrc 5y ago
  Why do big things need to be done? Also, it's not like the US is doing a good job at getting big things done. 30 years for 50 miles of Seattle-area subway?
  - dntrkv 5y ago
    > Why do big things need to be done? I dunno, maybe like improving the quality of life for everyone on this planet? If you think things like this [0] will happen without "big things" getting done, you're mistaken. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute?country=~OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...
    - MrRiddle 5y ago
      Your comment is making me want to puke.
- void_mint 5y ago
  I mean...it's not really though. There are plenty of countries that don't have the rush/stress/demands of the US (aka what you're referring to as "this attitude") that are getting plenty "done". > attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. Again, in reality, it is not impossible and works well enough all over the world. > It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle. In response to a post about US workers being among the most stressed in the world, you're suggesting that alternative strategies are "selfish"?
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    Disclaimer: not OP and I'm neither American nor South American. I think that yes really it is. I agree with the many people in this thread that say Americans are way over the top with rushing and stressing out over things and putting unreasonable demands on themselves and others. That said I completely agree that no its not fine for a regular bus driver to just stop and take his lunch and chat with friends just because he feels like it. That's would be what I agree is "this attitude" and selfish. However, in this particular case we might be talking Greyhound style long distance service and it might just be how this service route is planned out and everyone knows. Then it's fine. Context matters I would say. Made up example: your company has a rule to end all meetings 5 minutes before the scheduled end (for real, not just a fake rule to 'make people feel less stressed'). In this company, if you are late to your next meeting you better have a good explanation. Next company over no such rule exists and higher up regularly end their meetings late. Don't even expect me to make up an excuse when I come 5 minutes late to the next meeting.
- thatfrenchguy 5y ago
  Given how late most projects, especially infrastructure projects, are in the US, I’m not sure we can give folks a lesson on that.

jandrese 5y ago

It is hard to imagine anything ever getting anything big done with this kind of attitude. If you have a project were one part being late holds up the rest of the project--which is most of them--an attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.

coryrc 5y ago
Why do big things need to be done? Also, it's not like the US is doing a good job at getting big things done. 30 years for 50 miles of Seattle-area subway?
- dntrkv 5y ago
  > Why do big things need to be done? I dunno, maybe like improving the quality of life for everyone on this planet? If you think things like this [0] will happen without "big things" getting done, you're mistaken. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute?country=~OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...
  - MrRiddle 5y ago
    Your comment is making me want to puke.
void_mint 5y ago
I mean...it's not really though. There are plenty of countries that don't have the rush/stress/demands of the US (aka what you're referring to as "this attitude") that are getting plenty "done". > attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. Again, in reality, it is not impossible and works well enough all over the world. > It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle. In response to a post about US workers being among the most stressed in the world, you're suggesting that alternative strategies are "selfish"?
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  Disclaimer: not OP and I'm neither American nor South American. I think that yes really it is. I agree with the many people in this thread that say Americans are way over the top with rushing and stressing out over things and putting unreasonable demands on themselves and others. That said I completely agree that no its not fine for a regular bus driver to just stop and take his lunch and chat with friends just because he feels like it. That's would be what I agree is "this attitude" and selfish. However, in this particular case we might be talking Greyhound style long distance service and it might just be how this service route is planned out and everyone knows. Then it's fine. Context matters I would say. Made up example: your company has a rule to end all meetings 5 minutes before the scheduled end (for real, not just a fake rule to 'make people feel less stressed'). In this company, if you are late to your next meeting you better have a good explanation. Next company over no such rule exists and higher up regularly end their meetings late. Don't even expect me to make up an excuse when I come 5 minutes late to the next meeting.
thatfrenchguy 5y ago
Given how late most projects, especially infrastructure projects, are in the US, I’m not sure we can give folks a lesson on that.