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>Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, thre
by throwaway6734 5y ago
>Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works -- the communists are defeated.
You're welcome Italy
- matheusmoreira 5y agoTo this day I wonder why this kind of blatant interference in other countries isn't considered an act of war.
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- mchanson 5y agoIt should be. I also think economic sanctions, when done by a great power or groups of countries, should be considered an act of war.
- radmuzom 5y agoStrongly agree. The only hope is one day there will be a group of strong nations who will declare that they are not going to respect US sanctions.
- debacle 5y agoIf any other country did it, it would be.
- peder 5y agoYou're assuming that the UK, Germany, Israel, Russia, and China are not all doing the same.
- debacle 5y agoThere is certainly a power law in play here.
- peder 5y agoOr the other players work in different ways that are less visible. Cyber espionage and propaganda is enormous, and I think the average American is only slowly beginning to understand the depth of impact of bots, paid trolls, phishing, and direct cyberattacks that our adversaries launch against us. And it's not clear what the goals of these organizations are.
- throwaway6734 5y agoIt absolutely is (or incredibly close)
- bayesian_horse 5y agoSomething can be considered an act of war without leading to a "kinetic" response, much less a full-scale war. This still happens, especially with Russia. Putin is killing people with chemical weapons in NATO member nations, invading and annexing parts of Ukraine, and performing cyber warfare. All of these things are acts of war...
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- LatteLazy 5y agoAssuming you didn't mean /s Yeah, Italy is today known for its stable, non corrupt, efficient and effective governance...
- throwaway6734 5y agoImagine how much worse it would've been with a commie government and potentially outside the western sphere of influence
- LatteLazy 5y agoThere might be fewer Nazis. What a disaster that would be...
- throwaway6734 5y ago????
- whydoibother 5y agoAre you going to play ignorant about the fact that the CIA recruited former Nazis to suppress socialist movements in Europe, without the permission of the states they ran this operation in?
- throwaway6734 5y agoWhat's the relation? Nazis are terrible but after WW2 they posed significantly less of a threat than Soviet communists. Soviet and Chinese communists might not have been as evil as Nazis, but they sure were close
- whydoibother 5y agoThe fact that you think it was okay for the US to support former SS officers illegally operating in countries and later used to train South American death squads in torture techniques, all because 'commies are bad', shows how deranged you are. What the US has done in the name of anticommunism dwarfs any evils done by communism.
- 74B5 5y agoThis exact thinking leads to these bazillion dead and tortured. Better more totalitarianism to prevent an economic model, which could be revoked again in a democracy. The world welcomes you too.
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- throwaway012922 5y ago> The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections Italian here. In a democracy you don't "threaten to win" the elections. You win or not according to the will of the peple. I never vote Partito Comunista but I'd rather have any party win legitimate elections and have legitimate power until next elections rather than... secret services from another country undermining democracy. Also CIA did WORSE than beating up people and infiltrating parties: they supported terrorist groups that exploded bombs around Italy in 70 and 80ies.