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Does anyone have thoughts on starting kids on manipulating CSVs or xlrd, instead of turtle? I was exposed to turtle graphics in school when I was a kid, but I

Does anyone have thoughts on starting kids on manipulating CSVs or xlrd, instead of turtle? I was exposed to turtle graphics in school when I was a kid, but I wasn't impressed. I thought there was a huge gulf between turtle graphics and actual programming. It wasn't until 20 years later that I realized there wasn't a huge gulf, I was just one module away from doing real things. When I figured out how to process data, and do useful things, it blew my mind.

cushychicken 5y ago
>I was exposed to turtle graphics in school when I was a kid, but I wasn't impressed I think most kids would say the same thing about manipulating spreadsheets. I would have. Spreadsheets are fucking boring. Hell, I still think spreadsheets are fucking boring. The only reason that modifying spreadsheets is exciting to me is because of how much time automating the modifications saves me.